On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 11:22 AM William Hubbs <willi...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 06:40:07PM +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > On 2020-08-08 20:51, William Hubbs wrote: > > > What do people think? > > > > Like others already asked: What's the reason for this? > > Like others have said on the thread, the reason for the switch away > from udev in the past was mostly fear driven instead of fact driven. As > already said, if the udev developers were going to make udev unusable > without systemd they would have by now. > > > What do you expect from this change? > > I expect Gentoo to use, by default, what most of the Linux community > uses for device management. > "I expect Gentoo to use, by default, what most of the Linux community uses for init management." So we should make the systemd profile the default? :) > > > Is there a problem when new Gentoo installations will use EUDEV by > > default? Or is there a benefit if new installations would use > sys-fs/udev? > > Please look back at the history of why we switched away from udev. It > was not technical. Udev did not cause any wide scale distro breakages. > It was because some folks were very loud about a possible systemd > consppiracy around making udev not work without systemd. > You asked me on IRC "how do I convince people" and part of that is to make it easy to agree with your argument! Asking me to read a bunch of crap isn't going to make me want to agree; its going to make me say "your argument is poorly formed, please go away." - Link to the things you want me to read. - Summarize them so I don't have to read a 100 message long thread from 5 years ago. - Make an argument! --- "I think we picked eudev as the default because of a concern that udev would eventually require systemd for operation, you can see this from these mailing list posts: X, Y, Z." "The above concern has not manifested itself and I believe udev will continue to not strictly require systemd init for various reasons (mention list of cases here." "Therefore I think we should change the default udev provider from eudev to udev in the default profiles." --- This would be what I believe is a understandable argument (provided we had the links to the previous material.) I'm not saying I agree[0] with it; but I'd at least understand why you want the change to happen. > Notice again that I'm not saying we need to lastrites eudev. There are > cases that have developed for it (mainly non-glibc systems), but I am > saying I see no justification at this point for it being the default > distro wide. William > > [0] I expect that most users who want udev actually also want systemd and so will simply select the systemd profile itself, and that this choice is immaterial to most users; so I am for keeping the status quo here.
