Kurt Lieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:31:44PM +0000 or thereabouts, Louis C. Candell wrote: >> I wouldnt expect monetary compensation from Debian (GNU/Linux), >> because they are non-profit, but Gentoo, on the other hand, is >> trying to make a buck not only from it's users, but from the people >> who are pouring sweat and blood into the outcome of this project. > > This is so patently false and misleading as to be offensive. Please kindly > get your facts straight before posting complete and total FUD to the > mailing list.
How am I posting FUD into [EMAIL PROTECTED], when my posts were showing nothing other than concern and were full of questions trying to get facts concerning gentoo's financials from a reliable source? ----- FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. It is a marketing technique used when a competitor launches a product that is both better than yours and costs less, i.e. your product is no longer competitive. Unable to respond with hard facts, scare-mongering is used via 'gossip channels' to cast a shadow of doubt over the competitors offerings and make people think twice before using it. Location: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html ----- My posts, Kurt, ask questions which should be answered in a professional manner, and you shouldnt try and discredit my 700+ lines of text, by using *four* lines from my posts and ignoring the rest of the 700+ lines asking specific questions to clear up any 'FUD' which many users, including myself (tax man), might have of Gentoo Technologies, Inc. In case you did not notice, I even *stated* a few times that I hope these are misconceptions on my part, and wish them to be cleared up by someone with internal knowledge of GTI, and my want of nothing other than success to GTI, as well as nothing other than concern for Gentoo Developers and Users alike. In case you didnt notice, I stated how I stopped using FreeBSD and use Gentoo exclusively. I even stated I would be >>>>> *MORE THAN HAPPY* <<<<< to give GTI money, if GTI had a means of showing how our $$$$$$$$$ is being used towards the Gentoo Community. If that isn't a sign of support towards GTI and their continuing efforts, then I dont know what is. In case you missed my questions, you can reference the following: * Location: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/43186/match= * Location: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/43237/match= Here is a snippet from a post by Daniel Robbins in response to a developer named John Davis: ----- <snip> >> I am very sorry if I have offended you Daniel, but I am not on the >> offensive against you or Gentoo. If you wish to take disciplinary action >> against me, so be it, just realize that you are setting a precedent for >> Gentoo, a precedent that is loathed by all. >> I'm not taking disciplinary action against you, I'm trying to >> users don't get treated as second-class citizens by >> developers. Honestly,I have a real problem with our developers telling users what they should think, or chewing them out just because they have a strong opinion that do not happen to be the one you were hoping they would have. For the future of Gentoo, users should tell *us* what they want to see, and we should at least listen politely. If you don't agree, you should make an effort to express the disagreement professionally without labeling them as flamers or their opinions as invalid. That's not constructive conversation. And developers should actively participate in the process that already exists. If you're going to be interacting with users, you should be asking them what they think. * Location: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/10189/match= ------- Did you notice my posts were wishing and wanting Gentoo success, and *NOT* a put down of GTI in any way, shape or form? Did you not notice me asking genuine questions, which I'm sure I'm not the only one asking? We, the Users are telling you what we want to see, and should *never* carry a response of, "Your post is full of FUD" when posts show nothing other than concern over Gentoo's future and point out a lack of knowledge with questions to clear up any misconceptions by our part. Not to mention point out Gentoo's strong user / developer base and money making potential. Your 'FUD' response trying to discredit my posts is irresponsible behavior as a lead and *very* important developer in our community, considering you completely ignored the rest of my posts 700+ lines to get the last word in, without answering questions which were asked to END THE DRAMA of people continually asking where donations go, and how they are used within the business. But I'm sure you scanned through my posts and soaked in what you wanted to soak in, so maybe you can take the time out of your busy schedule to reread what I posted and answer the questions, so there is a clear record for future gentoo users asking the same questions to reference. Dont respond to a message if you dont have the time to hit every question asked by a *satisfied* Gentoo user, otherwise, your response is posted in a biased manner trying to get what *you* want to get across and taints the whole thread as the poster being a troll or a FUD'er. I dont think I've ever been anything *other* than positive towards GTI, so you should take my comments, questions and suggestions as nothing other than trying to improve GTI and the users understandings of the inner workings of GTI. If you dont like what I ask or state in posts, then you should reread Daniel's response up above and follow the same format. I am a user of GTI's services, which technically makes me a client AND a prospective contributor of funds, so respond with respect and without resentment and your simple and biased, "Louis, SHUT UP." response towards my questions and concerns over the lifetime enjoyment of *YOUR* product - Gentoo Linux. By the way, I received the GWN for this week through email, which contained the following: ========================= 5. Heard in the Community ========================= gentoo-user ----------- Disabling Anti-Aliasing in Evolution <snip> Console Framebuffers and Nvidia drivers <snip> Donations to Gentoo Donating to the Gentoo project is a great way to help our favorite distro get even better. Gentoo-user list member Tom Wesley posted a simple question asking where the donations "go". It may have not been the most liked thread on the list this week, but it was definitely the largest. Read it here [24] . 24. http://news.gmane.org/onethread.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.user&root=%3C2 00308142213.35578.tawesley%40yahoo.com%3E But it seems to be conveniently missing from the web version: * Location: http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030818-newsletter.xml Why is it missing from the web version? Why is it available in the email format, but not through the web version which *everyone* can read and digest in a more appropriate fashion? -- Louis C. Candell -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
