Another option for doing backups is snapback2.  It uses rsync, and has
some really nice features.  I have contributed an ebuild, and it can
be found on http://bugs.gentoo.org, just search on snapback2.

Kevin


On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:27:34 +0000, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:06:27 +0000, Steve wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Fair comment... I stand corrected that rsync/rdiff-backup are
> >> appropriate for backup of user files.  This issue is an old one of trade
> >> off between being able to make fast backups and being able to recover
> >> quickly. IMHO the dd approach is still valid and useful as it is one
> >> of the few ways to ensure rapid disaster recovery. I agree that an
> >> rsync approach permits more frequent backups to be made for user
> >> files. Maybe a better recommendation would have been a combination of
> >> dd to take an image of the install - then rsync to keep regular
> >> copies of user files.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'd still disagree, rsync or rdiff-backup create an exact mirror of the
> > file tree, so you have a backup that is extremely fast to restore from,
> > especially for individual files. If I want an image of the partition,
> > I'll
> > use partimage as it is several orders of magnitude faster than dd and
> > produces smaller archives.
> >
> > As a backup tool dd is about as friendly as backing up to punched
> > cards :(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> OK - I also admit that partimage would be a superior choice to dd...
> I guess my only significant point is that a backup that quickly restores
> devices etc. is not addressed best by trying to copy files.  I guess I
> inferred more from the original subject than you did.  For a "Simple
> Backup" where you want to duplicate "everything" from one drive to
> another I remain convinced that you want to copy the partition(s) and
> not the files - whereas for a more ambitious incremental backup strategy
> of user files we agree that rsync/rdiff approaches may well prove superior.
> Among the complications involved with rsync one should consider the
> potential consequences of a hardware failure during an update phase; the
> possibility that a file is accidentally deleted and the backup is
> refreshed before the missing file discovered.
> For a mail server, I can't help thinking that the ideal solution would
> be some (possibly bespoke) mechanism to push emails from the primary
> server to a secondary server (or maybe just a secondary disk) as it
> arrives (possibly with a queue as necessary) and not to delete data from
> the secondary server when it is deleted from the first, but rather to
> archive the eldest data regularly in order to ensure the disks do not
> fill.  This, however, could not be considered a simple backup by most.
> [Neil - you'd impress me by naming a tool that would do this 'ideal
> solution' without the need for writing bespoke scripts...]
> 
> Do we still disagree? :-)
> 
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