On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs <willi...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> > >> wrote: > >> > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is > >> >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically > >> >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't > >> >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a > >> >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of > >> >>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake. This gets > >> >>> patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here. I > >> >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else > >> >>> round here.) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now > >> >> it > >> >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the > >> >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case. > >> > > >> > > >> > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 months, > >> > or > >> > better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush??? > >> > > >> > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this > >> > decision? I > >> > seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a > >> > 'paper > >> > trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let others judge their > >> > decisions based on the merits of their arguments, then what does that say > >> > about their true motivations/intentions? > >> > >> The discussion happened in [1], [2], and [3]. And in similar meetings > >> and mailing lists since months ago. > >> > >> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946 > >> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt > >> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88282 > > > > You forgot [4]. > > > > [4] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/235575 > > > > I was actually against it initially. After reading and understanding > > where the linux ecosystem is going, my position evolved to support it. > > Thanks for the link, William, and for all the work you have done to > bring Gentoo to modern standards.
modern = what enforced by udev (aka systemd)? > > Regards. > -- > Canek Peláez Valdés > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación > Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México >
