-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/26/2014 07:30 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 26/01/2014 20:04, hasufell wrote: >> So, not sure where your optimism comes from. > > > It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge, > don't read any more into it than that. Especially not optimism, I > think you might be projecting your own frustrations.
That might be true. Mixing stable and unstable has become more and more difficult these days. Starting with USE="-*" on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has become a lot more difficult as well. > > A couple of years ago I used to have to manually resolve blockers > about one world update in two. It started becoming a huge PITA > especially as the deps are usually easy to solve - if I can look at > the screen for a few seconds and figure it out, then software can > do the same in milliseconds. Recent portages now do this properly > when viewed from a results-only perspective. > > On my machines, that is what I see happening. That is the ONLY set > of FACTS I have to work on; you may have more. > > I'm willing to give up 4 minutes while emerge runs so I don't have > to spend many more minutes right afterwards doing manually the very > shit that software is very good at. Whether portage is a complete > pile of dogshit software or not is beside the point. Even if it is, > my 4 minutes still buys me lots <shrug> > > > My pessimism comes from the fact that I wasn't able to communicate to any1 in real life that gentoo and especially portage have a positive usability score. Especially to those who have tried it once. As someone who knows the internals and doesn't read portage messages about conflicts anymore, but digs into the ebuilds directly... I don't have a lot of severe problems to maintain any gentoo system. But it is sad that you need those skills. Usually I tell people to use a desktop profile, never to use autounmask, not to mix stable and unstable branch and not to play too much with per-package useflags unless you are really missing something. Portage does alienate new users a lot. These performance issues add to that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS5VbwAAoJEFpvPKfnPDWz5NAH/i5viXuWexvbLgVRefuDWCFo gmLekzmBpEQqvozdxXac1VNFHPWmmY8KVTkTe+JbtgGblzHsiQOug6n47Mpga+dt tn7f60dLDrTBBpvahVADln9pha3OjtmKDI/JXGV1nZQbFFRBW0x01K6absoFYNs3 bdylCzcG5ZUOCKvBqVzpS8pKVeuBtrItadSOpJTDj6CQys2Q1RVQAl3aIIX96nAx IcN8eyBeuhQbjACKOfUSgIV/q8XwLdzUHLu//SxJ4psMKL5ne/EQaph9aRI+si2h bOP9MkKt/QTmj0dGSpbR5DJt6r0tlsmIa1ZIS/DnC7vbKvXVRESUn2tMDes9NEM= =Hl9N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
