On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday 15 Feb 2014 17:32:44 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM, "Tanstaafl" <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: >> > On 2014-02-15 10:16 AM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Not to revive a flame-fest against systemd, but... >> >> >> >> I'm sure some or most of you have already heard about this, but I found >> >> a really decent thread discussing this whole systemd thing. It is only >> >> really comparing systemd and upstart, as that was the debate going on in >> >> the debian TC, but it is a great read, and has actually made me rethink >> >> my blind objections to systemd a bit. >> > >> > One of which was logging: >> > >> > "20. Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> > >> > Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all >> >> data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something >> changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got >> before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any >> system service." >> >> > From: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html >> >> Also, for those of you who don't follow Linux-related news, Ubuntu will >> also change to systemd in the future: >> >> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 >> >> And I *heard* that Slackware was also discussing the possibility, but since >> I don't follow Slackware at all, I don't know for sure. >> >> Anyway, distros not using systemd, and that they are not really small >> and/or niche, seem to be disappearing. The discussion that Tanstaafl posted >> is interesting since the arguments used by the four TC members are really >> focused on the technical merits of the proposed init systems. > > There was a thread sometime last year mentioning a slimmer/slicker and obeying > to the *nix design principles initialisation system, but can't find it at the > moment. Isn't that at all in the running?
For Slackware, I have no idea. For Debian, no the only options were[1]: 1. sysvinit (status quo) 2. systemd 3. upstart 4. openrc (experimental) 5. One system on Linux, something else on non-linux 6. multiple It should also be noted that no one in the TC voted OpenRC above systemd AND upstart, and that while a couple voted systemd below everything else, it can be argued that it was a tactical vote. Regards. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/ -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
