On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 05:19:35PM -0800, Daniel Campbell wrote > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 07:53:51AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > How do you think we ended up with eudev? > > I assume we ended up with eudev because upstream decided that > they were going back on their promise that udev would remain usable > without systemd. (I can fish up the e-mail -- sent by Lennart himself > -- if you'd like. It may take some time) To this day it still is, but > that's only until the successor to kdbus wriggles itself into the > kernel. At that point, they will have the leverage (and the excuse, in > their minds) to drop all support for udev outside of systemd.
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html > Well, we intent to continue to make it possible to run udevd outside > of systemd. But that's about it. We will not polish that, or add > new features to that or anything. > > OTOH we do polish behaviour of udev when used *within* systemd > however, and that's our primary focus. > > And what we will certainly not do is compromise the uniform > integration into systemd for some cosmetic improvements for > non-systemd systems. > > (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case > you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we > can drop that support entirely.) > > Lennart > > -- > Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. Right now the "stand-alone udev" actually requires building the entire systemd+udev combo, and then copying just the udev parts. I remember Anthony Basile mentioning that he had refactored the code during the the udev ==> eudev conversion process, and removed over a hundred uncalled functions. They were probably part of udev's integration into systemd. So one advantage of eudev is that it has less memory footprint and attack surface. > eudev is an attempt to retain udev as it was originally -- init > agnostic. At some point in the future, it will become the only way to > get udev outside of systemd. Agreed. -- Walter Dnes <waltd...@waltdnes.org> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
