Andrew Lockley <andrew.lock...@gmail.com>: *I gave up on my efforts to start such an organisation when Ken spoke out against it on this list. * I'm not even aware of having spoken out against the idea of an organization.
There are many possible organizations that can and will (and some probably should) develop around this issue, ranging from professional service organizations to political advocacy organizations. I am all for letting 1000 flowers bloom. We should just not fool ourselves into thinking that there will be one organization to fit all needs, or that there is a broad consensus on issues across this entire distribution list. The key to success is to add value, to provide a service, to fill a need. If someone starts doing something that others perceive as valuable, and it is done in an open, thoughtful, and inclusive way, it will attract other people. Please do not take anything I said to inhibit you from attempting to do something you perceive as valuable. ___________________________________________________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA kcalde...@ciw.edu; kcalde...@stanford.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab +1 650 704 7212; fax: +1 650 462 5968 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Andrew Lockley <andrew.lock...@gmail.com>wrote: > The main role of a geoeng institute would not be to disseminate information > - that's very easy. The main role is to give people something to belong to. > This is far harder, as people can be picky, (not to mention lazy or tribal) > with their memberships. The last thing we want is to start an organisation > which splits the nascent geoeng community. > > I gave up on my efforts to start such an organisation when Ken spoke out > against it on this list. I sought to unite, not divide - and when that > wasn't possible I backed down. > > A > > 2009/10/26 Neil Farbstein <pro...@worldnet.att.net> > > >> Thanks for all your suggestions. I've been too busy writing a funding >> request to answer everybody. My concept for the foundation would be to >> fund research into methods of modifying the climate to mitigate the >> greenhouse effect. We would fund efforts in house, and we would also >> fund others doing meritorious research. Most of that research will be >> theoretical and some will be real world tests like the groups that >> fertilized the oceans with iron. We would also act as a clearinghouse >> to disseminate information. >> >> On Oct 24, 11:35 am, Ken Caldeira <kcalde...@carnegie.stanford.edu> >> wrote: >> > I don't think money really is the issue. >> > >> > One way to start is by developing a good newsletter. >> > >> > If someone wanted to take the time to put out a quarterly (or monthly) >> > newsletter, summarizing in a balanced way recent developments, with >> pointers >> > to recently published literature, worthwhile popular press accounts, and >> so >> > on, it would be good and helpful. The newsletter could take the form of >> a >> > pdf and web site. (It could be more or less a monthly or quarterly >> > distillation of the best of what appears on this email group.) >> > >> > I think the key is that it would be a true service effort and would be >> > undermined if it turned into a soapbox for the newsletter editor to >> opine on >> > everything. >> > >> > So, money is an issue, but doing this is mostly time -- and the key is >> to >> > find somebody who has the time, ability, motivation and emotional >> balance >> > necessary to undertake such a venture. >> > >> > It could even start as a monthly email to this group summarizing the >> most >> > important things said here in the previous month, with pointers back to >> the >> > original discussion. I think there are a growing number of people who >> would >> > like to follow developments but do not have the time to wade through >> every >> > email on this largely unedited email group. If well done, such an effort >> > could be a real service to many people. >> > >> > ___________________________________________________ >> > Ken Caldeira >> > >> > Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology >> > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA >> > >> > kcalde...@ciw.edu; kcalde...@stanford.eduhttp:// >> dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab >> > +1 650 704 7212; fax: +1 650 462 5968 >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Eugene I. Gordon < >> euggor...@comcast.net>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I point out that the idea of forming a formal Geoengineering Society >> and >> > > what its mission might be has been considerably discussed in these >> e-mails >> > > going back at least a year or more. It included a publication, an >> online >> > > newsletter, a meeting, a small operating staff and possibly some >> funding >> > > for >> > > research. The issue was and is where do we get sufficient money to >> support >> > > it? It is still THE issue. What would be the mission of a non profit >> > > Geoengineering foundation. Where would the support come from? Remember >> the >> > > Golden Rule. "He who has the gold makes the rules." >> > >> > > Eugene I. Gordon >> > > (908) 233 4677 >> > > euggor...@comcast.net >> > >www.germgardlighting.com >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com >> > > [mailto:geoengineer...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of global_frozing >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:59 AM >> > > To: geoengineering >> > > Subject: [geo] Re: I am Planning A New Geoengineering Foundation >> > >> > > First of all, there is no any information center for geoengineering >> > > yet, besides this google group. >> > > I do not think that this group can work as such a center, because >> > > there is all mixed inside the one sequence of messages. >> > > The information should be filtered and structured. >> > > Some another system, like "Google sites" can be used to collaborate >> > > and to create and manage the really good web portal. >> > > This can be done for free or very cheap. This can be the first step >> > > for the foundation. >> > > No need to squabble about money to do this :-) >> > >> > > On Oct 12, 11:56 am, Neil Farbstein <pro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> > > > I'm thinking about starting up a nonprofit geoengineering >> foundation.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
