This list was originally set up to help facilitate communication among working scientists and other professionals. We generally have access to these journals through our institutions.
Also, pdfs of many papers have been sent directly to this group -- a practice that I applaud. So, in short, Alan is right: We should be worrying a bit more about reducing the number of posts with low or misleading information content (like this email), and not implement restrictive posting policies to try to improve professional publication practices (which is, no doubt, a laudable goal). On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Alan Robock <rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu>wrote: > Dear Andrew, > > Absolutely not! In fact, I think we should ban all the drivel that is not > peer-reviewed. > > Published papers are not closed to anyone with an academic library or a > subscription. While some journals are open access, such as ACP, others > like Science, Nature, JGR, and Journal of Climate are not. Someone has to > pay for publishing, and none of these, with the possible exception of > Nature, are for profit. They are published by AAAS, AGU, and AMS, which > are professional societies. And every author will be happy to send > reprints to anyone who asks, so there is really no hindrance to anyone > reading any peer-reviewed published paper. > > So I reject your assertion that open access is necessarily better than > journals for which someone has to pay. And I reject your attempt to turn > this list into just opinions and not the distribution of quality research. > And the only standard for quality is peer review. Peer review is > imperfect, but it is better than any alternative. > > Alan > > Alan Robock, Professor II (Distinguished Professor) > Editor, Reviews of Geophysics > Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program > Associate Director, Center for Environmental Prediction > Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9800 x6222 > Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644 > 14 College Farm Road E-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu > New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA > http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~**robock<http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock> > > > On 6/22/2012 7:02 PM, Andrew Lockley wrote: > >> >> Dear Members, >> >> A question: Should we ban members sending their own papers to the list >> if these papers are not open access, or file-attached? >> >> To allow this practice to continue seems like we're offering tacit >> support for closed access publication of geoengineering research. I note >> both the growing open-access movement, and the particular sensitivities >> around any perceived secrecy in geoengineering research. >> >> Furthermore, in practical terms, posted closed-access research is not >> available for non-academic list members, of which there are many. This >> clearly hinders subsequent list discussion of attached papers. >> >> I'd be very interested to hear members' views on this matter. >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> A >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> geoengineering@googlegroups.**com<geoengineering@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscribe@ >> **googlegroups.com <geoengineering%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/geoengineering?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en> >> . >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To post to this group, send email to > geoengineering@googlegroups.**com<geoengineering@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscribe@* > *googlegroups.com <geoengineering%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/geoengineering?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en.
