Hi All, Just to say that to keep Geoengineering group open to policy makers and journalists, who do not have time to go academic libraries. Neither have newspapermen. We do have those on our group as well.I am myself more on policy-making grounds on this group to try to encourage geoengineering as I do not see emissions reduction politically viable in the foreseeable future.
The US economic doctrine is "market economy based on infinite growth based on fossil fuelled consumption of products and services" as the Republican Party and the US business elites. We need to go along political realities and not with academia wish-wash. But I am concerned, if we develop habit to distribute copyright stuff. That should be avoided as much as possible. We are not Wikileaks in academia. Regards, Albert Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:11:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [geo] Moderator message - Please comment on open access From: andrew.lock...@gmail.com To: kcalde...@gmail.com CC: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu; geoengineering@googlegroups.com For clarity, I'm not seeking to 'turn this list' into anything. I was just seeking members' views. Furthermore, there was never any suggestion that peer-reviewed papers would be discriminated against in any circumstances or in any way. Rather, I simply suggested that policy *could* be that any closed-access papers should be file-attached, if that was the wish of members. Considering member comments expressed publicly and privately, it seems that a useful stance would be to encourage authors to file-attach papers, but never to sanction those who do not do so in any way. I hope this resolves the matter for members, and I thank everyone for their attention to this issue. A On Jun 23, 2012 8:43 AM, "Ken Caldeira" <kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu> wrote: This list was originally set up to help facilitate communication among working scientists and other professionals. We generally have access to these journals through our institutions. Also, pdfs of many papers have been sent directly to this group -- a practice that I applaud. So, in short, Alan is right: We should be worrying a bit more about reducing the number of posts with low or misleading information content (like this email), and not implement restrictive posting policies to try to improve professional publication practices (which is, no doubt, a laudable goal). On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Alan Robock <rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu> wrote: Dear Andrew, Absolutely not! In fact, I think we should ban all the drivel that is not peer-reviewed. Published papers are not closed to anyone with an academic library or a subscription. While some journals are open access, such as ACP, others like Science, Nature, JGR, and Journal of Climate are not. Someone has to pay for publishing, and none of these, with the possible exception of Nature, are for profit. They are published by AAAS, AGU, and AMS, which are professional societies. And every author will be happy to send reprints to anyone who asks, so there is really no hindrance to anyone reading any peer-reviewed published paper. So I reject your assertion that open access is necessarily better than journals for which someone has to pay. And I reject your attempt to turn this list into just opinions and not the distribution of quality research. And the only standard for quality is peer review. Peer review is imperfect, but it is better than any alternative. Alan Alan Robock, Professor II (Distinguished Professor) Editor, Reviews of Geophysics Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program Associate Director, Center for Environmental Prediction Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9800 x6222 Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644 14 College Farm Road E-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock On 6/22/2012 7:02 PM, Andrew Lockley wrote: Dear Members, A question: Should we ban members sending their own papers to the list if these papers are not open access, or file-attached? To allow this practice to continue seems like we're offering tacit support for closed access publication of geoengineering research. I note both the growing open-access movement, and the particular sensitivities around any perceived secrecy in geoengineering research. Furthermore, in practical terms, posted closed-access research is not available for non-academic list members, of which there are many. This clearly hinders subsequent list discussion of attached papers. I'd be very interested to hear members' views on this matter. Thanks for your time. A -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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