The Montreal accord ended most of the commercial use of chlorinated and fluorinate hydrocarbons in most of the world; I think China is about to join this accord. Hence there is some precedent for international action, although I agree that it is very difficult to achieve. It seems particularly difficult for climate change, perhaps a reflection of the magnitude of the economic impact.
Peter Flynn *From:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto: geoengineering@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *euggor...@comcast.net *Sent:* June-27-13 6:13 PM *To:* johnnissen2...@gmail.com *Cc:* geoengineering; Ron *Subject:* Re: [geo] Re: Another view on the Arctic John: When have you experienced international cooperation with a common goal? The first step is that all have to believe survival is at stake and for sure that conviction does not currently exist. For that we need a world dictator that does not exist. When it is absolutely clear to all that survival is at stake then maybe you will get some international cooperation. Only when it is totally unambiguous that all are at risk will the world cooperate. I can't prove that but neither can you prove the opposite. -gene ------------------------------ *From: *"John Nissen" <j...@cloudworld.co.uk> *To: *"Ron" <rongretlar...@comcast.net> *Cc: *"geoengineering" <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> *Sent: *Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:38:19 PM *Subject: *[geo] Re: Another view on the Arctic Hi Ron, It makes you sick, that turn of phrase "fait accomplit". No doubt there are myopic people who have thought it highly desirable for the Arctic to heat quickly, and would therefore want to suppress any science that suggested that the Arctic warming had dangerous repercussions. Now that these people can see that the sea ice is in a death spiral, they can relax over the science. They can now argue that it's too late to do anything. It makes a mockery of those distinguished scientists (including several government advisers) who have stated that geoengineering to cool the Arctic would be premature. Our only means of avoiding certain catastrophe is a last ditch effort to save the sea ice. But it is also a rare opportunity for international collaboration with a common goal in mind - survival. John -- On 27/06/2013 19:25, Ron wrote: > The July-August issue of Foreign Affairs has a lengthy article (pp 76-89) on the Arctic by Scott Borgerson. Title: "The Coming Arctic Boom." > > Zero mention of climate and geoengineering, save this phrase in bottom paragraph of p 78: > " ....Arctic warming is a fait accompli...." > > Ron > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
