I think its a good idea to bring along the designer. However i am a 
little confused about "replicating the old ui with new technology". Does 
this not represent a ton of work? I mean the old ui encompasses a lot of 
stuff that i would think a new user interface would cut out.

Plus I think that the html page design and workflow will drive how the 
underlying wicket application is structured. So I think doing some of 
that up front wold save time in the long run as well.

My 2c,

-Justin

Chris Holmes wrote:
> Hey all, so TOPP may be able to send a great designer to Italy, to help 
> with the interaction and web design of a new web admin tool.  I thought 
> this might be a good idea, to have him spec out and build html for the 
> new admin interface.
> 
> I had been thinking we'd just replace the backend UI technology during 
> the sprint, and do the actual UI rewrite later.  But my thought on that 
> was that 1.7.0 would replace the UI technology and get stable, and then 
> 2.0 would be the new UI.  But since 1.7.0 is just going to be the config 
> stuff, and hopefully rest interfaces, this means that it might be 
> advantageous to do the UI tech replacement at the same time as the UI 
> rewrite.  Because I think it'd just slow us down a lot to fully 
> stabilize as 1.8.0.
> 
> My other thought is that when replacing the UI with a new technology 
> we'll probably want to add in at least some of the little UI 
> improvements that Wicket offers.  And then we'll probably be tempted to 
> fix the most egregious errors of the current UI, and UI improvements 
> will creep in, but won't be driven by a designer, and we'll end up 
> replicating work.  I guess I'm also not convinced that it's going to 
> take 4 people 5 days to replace the UI tech.  And then we'll either just 
> go to bug fixing, or do our own little ui improvements.  And while we're 
> all together I'd prefer to more than just bug fixes.  Also it'd be a lot 
> better to write tests, like functional tests perhaps with Selenium, 
> against what will be the UI.
> 
> So my thought was that the designer could work in parallel with the 
> development work, and get a bit of stability with the UI tech 
> replacement, but start to move on to the UI html and interaction design 
> replacement at the end of the week.  And if we don't get all the way 
> there we'll at least be ready.  And our designer can get some real good 
> exposure to geo stuff.
> 
> But these are just some ideas I've been thinking about.  If we feel it's 
> going to be a waste to have him there then we don't have to send him - 
> like we should feel it's a desired thing, since it is going to cost TOPP 
> a good bit.  So what do people think?
> 
> Oh, and behind all this is a desire of mine to get some sort of 
> 'GeoServer 2.0' by foss4g, with feature freeze by mid-august at the 
> latest.  But I don't want to set a super ambitious goal, so if we want 
> to cut things we should figure that out.
> 
> Chris
> 
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