Hi Andrea,
Thank you for taking the time for such detailed explanation. It made things
a lot clearer.
"
I do want to discourage the
notion that people can just ask and developers have nothing better to do
than
follow their requests.
"
Yeah, this is simply not the kind of people I ever thought of encouraging.
Everyone reaching the age of 14 and having written their
first System.out.println("foo") should assume better.
"
the project is being kept alive by
a bunch of people that perform a number of unpaid activities, like user
support,
code reviews, releases, participation to the monthly bug stomp and the like,
while others merrily keep on "contributing" bits of code that they were
sponsored
to work on, without taking on any of the above.
"
That is something I never thought about. I'll keep it mind. It is actually
something I could personally try and help with.
Particularly with user support, I'm actually very happy to do what I can,
as I think I got to know GeoServer very well. Is this forum the place to
start with? Or is it the issue tracker? Apologies for lacking the basic
knowledge in this respect.
Best regards,
Manuel
On 20 March 2018 at 16:49, Andrea Aime <andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:10 PM, timita <tim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apologies if this sounds like criticism - far from my intention - but
>> saying
>> that it's irrelevant whether people use it or not sounds discouraging.
>>
>
> I don't mean to discourage contribution, mind, but I do want to discourage
> the
> notion that people can just ask and developers have nothing better to do
> than
> follow their requests.
> If GeoServer was a paid product, it might make sense to do that, so that a
> new
> set of licences are getting sold at the N+1 release.
> But it is not, and development is really driven by necessities of the
> contributor's
> paid work (plus some spare time activity that clearly cannot be steered
> any way,
> each one has a right to do what they prefer outside of working hours).
> It's actually somewhat worse than this, in that the project is being kept
> alive by
> a bunch of people that perform a number of unpaid activities, like user
> support,
> code reviews, releases, participation to the monthly bug stomp and the
> like,
> while others merrily keep on "contributing" bits of code that they were
> sponsored
> to work on, without taking on any of the above. Now that's fine for a
> isolated contribution,
> not so when they are repeated over time (like, there is clearly a business
> revolving
> around the project, but without the "cost" that core devs pay daily),
> because it's
> discouraging, upsetting and eventually starving the core devs (starving as
> in,
> the ratio between actual maintainers and available code to maintain
> worsens and worsens
> over time).
> Anyways, I'm digressing :-)
>
> The key point is that actual change needs actual resources.
>
>
>> The name "GeoServer - User" suggests a public forum, even though it's not
>> a
>> public service. Ultimately, a public discussion could 1) spur activity
>> around a module, leading to contributions 2) help with gathering valuable
>> feedback, such as use cases,
>
>
> Yep, we have multiple rounds of these two, if you check the archives.
>
>
>> 3) allow users to team up and support a feature
>> which might be too expensive for a single user to fund.
>
>
> This bit is actually partially covered too, there are more pull requests
> showing on on JDBCConfig,
> which is a sign of interest and partial resourcing. What is missing is an
> actual maintainer
> (someone that reviews pull requests, answers user questions, and generally
> truly
> participates to the project life), enough that the module can switch from
> community "hell"
> to official extension.
>
> Cheers
> Andrea
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