It seems to me that there's only one essential missing language feature, which is appropriately-kinded type-level strings (and, ideally, the ability to reflect these strings back down to the value level). Given that, template haskell, and the HList bag of tricks, I'm confident that a fair number of elegant records packages can be crafted. Based on that experience, we can then decide what syntactic sugar would be useful to elide the TH layer altogether.
I think we can do this part without much trouble, once the dust has settled on -XPolyKinds. It certainly fits with all the work we've been doing recently on the kind system. I agree that it's a fairly basic requirement; for example, it's also assumed by http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Records/OverloadedRecordFields Specifically * Allow String as a new kind * Now you can define classes or types with kinds like MyCls :: String -> a -> Constraint T :: String -> * * Provide type-level string literals, so that "foo" :: String Open questions: * Is String (at the kind level) a synonym for [Char]? I'm inclined *not* to do this initially, because it would require us to have promoted character literals too -- and the implementation of record labels as strings of type-level cons-cells is not going to be efficient. * If String is not a kind level synonym for [Char], maybe it should have a different name. For example, "foo" :: Label? Or Atom? After all, if it doesn't behave like a Haskell string it probably should not have the same name. * Are there any operations over Labels? * I don't know exactly what you have in mean by "the ability to reflect the type-level string at the value level". Simon From: Gershom Bazerman [mailto:gersh...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 December 2011 19:12 To: Simon Peyton-Jones Cc: Greg Weber; glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org Subject: Re: Records in Haskell On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: The trouble is that I just don't have the bandwidth (or, if I'm honest, the motivation) to drive this through to a conclusion. And if no one else does either, perhaps it isn't *that* important to anyone. That said, it clearly is *somewhat* important to a lot of people, so doing nothing isn't very satisfactory either. Usually I feel I know how to move forward, but here I don't. Simon It seems to me that there's only one essential missing language feature, which is appropriately-kinded type-level strings (and, ideally, the ability to reflect these strings back down to the value level). Given that, template haskell, and the HList bag of tricks, I'm confident that a fair number of elegant records packages can be crafted. Based on that experience, we can then decide what syntactic sugar would be useful to elide the TH layer altogether. Beyond that, it would really help namespacing in general to appropriately extend the module system to allow multiple modules to be declared within a single file -- or, better yet, "submodules". I know that this introduces a few corner cases that need to be thought through -- what happens with overlapping declarations, for example. But I tend to think the path here is relatively straightforward and obvious, and the added expressive power should make namespacing issues much more tractable. Like the type-level strings proposal, this isn't about implementing records as such -- rather, it's about generally extending the expressive power of the language so that record systems--among other things--are easier to write. Cheers, Gershom
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