In a message dated: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:56:03 EST Ed Lawson said: >I think the issue rob is point out is that he did ask for help on the >list. I think the only person other than me who responded was Randy out >in the pacific. There is no mechanism for getting a few people together >and mulling over a project, honing the details, and assigning >responsibility to see it gets done.
What mechanism does there need to be? I'm willing to bet that if Rob had announced this project to the list, asked for help, then followed with a scheduled meeting date to discuss, plan, and assign, a few people would have showed up. But that didn't happen. This is group is mostly a virtual group. 99% of our activity is via the mail list. Some of our most vocal members are either not local (Derek is Korea now, Randy is in the Pacific) or never attend meetings (I'm virtually unable to make it given my current employment situation, my brother has never made it to a single meeting). So just saying on the mailing list that someone has a great idea leads everyone to expect that there will be some kind of follow-up. Announce that you have a grat idea, then follow it up with a schedule of planning meetings, and make them on weekends, and I guarantee someone will show up. As several cases-in-point: - The Linux Business Show had more volunteers "members" workin on it than I had ever seen participating in the mail list. There were peoples spouses, boy/girl-friends, kids, etc. We gained a lot of new members this way as well. - Maddog continually gets people to show up for Hosstraders every single year. How? Follow-through. He announces the date of Hosstraders, then states that he will be there, with a table or two. A few people respond to the mail, and several show up at Hosstraders. - Maddog had no shortage of people willing to man the tables at the PC shows at Rockingham Park. How? He announced the date, told people what needed to be done, what times needed coverage, and asked for volunteers. People volunteered, showed up, and got the jobs done. Those are just the examples I can think of. Contrast that with what we've don't recently (i.e. since Jerry left). We spoken of grandiose plans to formalize, to do 'one outside talk a month', to bring open source to the libraries, etc. But we haven't stated what needs to be done, nor actually scheduled any event (e.g. a planning meeting, etc.). There's nothing of substance to any of these great ideas, just talk. What we need is follow-through and action. One person going off and doing it, then saying "I've started doing this, who wants to join me?" isn't follow-through. And it's not going to get people to want to help. Why? Because they want to be *part* of something, and all this tells them is they have to do something alone. Give them a team to belong to, something bigger than themselves to contribute to and be a part of, and they'll come. Tell them they have to give a talk by themselves to a bunch of strangers, and they'll run away. We have an awful lot of "organizers" on this '-org' list. Unfortunately, there's not a lot "organizing" happening. Not only that, the members of this list haven't really changed over all the years I've been part of GNHLUG. I think we're all getting burnt out, frustrated, and disappointed. Combine that with the precious little "free" time most of have, and we've got a recipe for disaster. So, what do we do about it? How do we fix it? Maybe our problem is we're thinking too big? Should we start with smaller ideas which might have a better than average success rate? This could build some momentum which could lead to bigger and bigger things. Remember, Linus didn't start out to build the OS that would rival Microsoft. He start out building a better modem terminall emulator... -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! _______________________________________________ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org