On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Tim Murphy <tnmur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 May 2011 19:29, Sriram Ramkrishna <s...@ramkrishna.me> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tim Murphy <tnmur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> There are hidden negatives too - the linux users in my office, for > >> example, tried it and gave up or gave it no chance at all - they are > >> using XFCE or just not updating their distros or are trying out Ubuntu > >> instead or they are using the fallback for the moment now that they > >> have found out how to do it. They haven't emailed this list though. > >> > > > > Is their objection that it is different? Office workers are generally > > vulnerable to change. The reason being that they don't copious amount of > > time to learn a new interface in the face of deadlines and what not. A > > transition plan is generally required for those.. so they get a chance to > > learn the new interface while at the same time be able to switch back in > > case there are issues with bad behaviour with important applications. > > No, they are software engineers who go out of their way to use Linux > in a fairly Linux hostile environment because it builds their code > faster than when they were building on windows (cross compilation for > mobile devices) and because they find it a better day-by-day > environment. I would say that their resistance to change is fairly > minimal as they started trying out gnome-shell before it was the > default and before I did, actually. It was rejected then by choice > because they could try it out as an option and they removed it. But > you guys can't watch what everyone does, obviously. > Yes, similar to why I use Linux as a desktop in a windows centric world. We work with linux all the time as a batch farm. Going between windows and linux was always awkward and so when I aligned what I do at work with was on my desktop I was more efficient. Perhaps they can try a live cd now and see if it works again? > > In any case, there is a lot of reliance on the inability to change > argument and it does remind me of how people at my work used to defend > what is now an infamous product worldwide against the competition that > has recently slaughtered it. Basically they thought that a lot of > explaining would help and they had a reason why every complaint was > invalid or was important or why it was unavoidable for some other > reason. > You will notice that my arguments did not implicitly say that you're afraid to change. It is in fact the wrong argument to tell someone that they are afraid to change because it puts them on the defensive like somehow something is wrong with that and by extension something is wrong with you. I always push for "try it for a week" or "try it for ten days". Design choices aren't apparent at first glance until you start employing your muscle memory. People adapt at different rates. Some people as you further below say will suddenly be delighted, otherwise are trying to use the muscle memory from a previous version and find it difficult to cope. The week sink period is to give people time to figure out and play around like you would with any new item you get. The difference is that you're sink time should be on a computer that you're not using for work or something that requires real work to be done as you'll just induce stress. > > I think that instant delight is the kind of reaction that you actually > need to have in something that you are selling and just because the > gnome shell is not being sold doesn't mean that it doesn't matter. > > instant delight is not something that easily happens. Someone's "instant delight" is someone else nightmare. There are plenty of people if you read the GNOME facebook page that express delight like that. There are a smaller number that have a wtf reaction. You'll never get a universal reaction that way. The sink time helps in adapt or people. > > My co-workers don't particularly like the new interface just from the > > presentation I did (they were my guinea pigs). But then these people are > > people who use fvwm2 over VNC on windows laptops or desktops. > > Well there I was thinking that people who wanted to use fvwm were > missing out because GNOME with Nautilus was really rather slick and > that speed was not so relevant anymore as it was when I had a much > less powerful computer. But now I'm in worse position than them with > a way of organising my life that was friendly seeming being about to > disappear. I cannot now make the new thing do what I could do before > In this particular case, you should make a switch until you are mentally ready to try something new. GNOME 3 should be installed on a separate partition something to play with until you've used it enough that you're ready to mentally accept the new interface or when extensions and new features gives you the notification to want to do change. > which, in my case, was to create a kind of substitute user interface > that suited me using my desktop and shortcuts on the panel. 98% of > the applets that were out there were of no interest but a couple of > them were very useful to me in particular. > > If there is demand someone is going to find a way to put it back. That is after all the nature of having the source available. The fact that we have extensions allows to do that. What's important is that they fit into the original design if at all possible. I miss system monitor something fierce at first, but I don't worry so much about it now. > I have used a lot of GUIs from GEM (ST and PC), Geos, Amigas, RiscOS, > one my pal designed, NextStep, The Mac, OpenDesktop etc etc. There > are innovative concepts that have not made it to Linux yet even though > they are years old. I don't really believe that revolutionary is a > word that can be applied here to the change in the user experience and > that's why the changes are contentious - they are not really amazingly > good enough to make up for the disruption (to some of us). > > You'll find that GNOME shell designers went exactly to those old guis and concepts to shape the shell. This link shows some of the background materials that they read to come up with shell: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/References > Having said all that I look forward to investigating the extension > mechanism to see how much I might be able to "make things right" and > also to trying out the ROX Desktop once more :-). > > > Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Much appreciated. sri
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