I'm biased towards Plone, but I think setting up a side by side demo is an excellent idea. What are the outstanding tasks on the Plone side of things?
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Paul Cutler <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:12 -0700, Jonathan Wilde wrote: > > I'm concerned about the lack of information here about this new > > WordPress implementation. I don't know if a demo site will offer > > enough information to make an informed decision. Is there a public > > source control repository somewhere where we could review the code? > > What lack of information? I was actually proud that I sent an email to > the list based on two conversations at GUADEC - can't get much more > transparent than that. I also don't understand your comment about a > demo site - how can it not have enough information? > > The repo is at: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnomeweb-wp/ I'm waiting > for Vinicius to upload his theme and then I'll ask a sysadmin to get the > Apache configs updated to a sub-domain. > > > > > > I also have concerns regarding the long-term flexibility of WordPress > > for GNOME. I've worked with WordPress for years and have been > > continually pleased about how WordPress makes it very easy to get a > > site up. However, I've found that it is often rather difficult to > > make significant design/architectural changes to large WordPress sites > > after-the-fact without essentially re-writing the custom components. > > And judging by the stops-and-starts we've had here, a theme rewrite, > > regardless of which platform we choose to build on, will be difficult. > > The theme is already done - I'm waiting for it to be uploaded to the > repo, but based on the fact that one developer was able to do it in one > afternoon gives me hope that we can actually deploy something this year. > > > Being a very active and vibrant organization, I think that we can > > expect that GNOME will have changing needs over time. > > > > As with anything else, it's important to choose the right tool for the > > job. Would you build server software with Actionscript? No. Even > > though Actionscript might be an easy-to-learn solution, you'd be > > better off in the long-run using Erlang or Scala because they tend to > > scale better in concurrent environments. > > > > Similarly, WordPress is an easy solution that is great for smaller > > sites with relatively static needs. But will it be flexible enough > > and scale to GNOME's needs in the long run? I'm not so sure. On top > > of this, data migration is difficult. It will probably be difficult > > to move over to another solution in the future. > > I'm not going to get into a WP vs Plone debate - we'll get a demo site > up, just like we have today of Plone, and review. My biggest concern > right now is that in almost 5 years of development we don't have a site. > Considering this has taken that long, I think Wordpress would be far > more flexible than what we have today. As far as data migration, the > content for most of the pages has already been written, so I'm not > seeing issues around data migration. We need to get the theme uploaded > from the design team and then add the pages and copy / paste the text > into it from lgo. > > Paul > > > > > As for issues with the existing Plone instance: > > > > Paul Cutler wrote: > > > > > > Our largest blocker has always been localization support and the demo > > > > did include basic localization support > > > > I've seen some tweets [1] regarding issues with LinguaPlone, but > > haven't been able to find what the specific issues are. Is there an > > IRC transcript that you could direct me to that might contain further > > information regarding that? The current blocking issues might be easy > > to mitigate. > > > > > I think we need to be honest with ourselves about the progress the > Plone site has (or > > > has not) made over the last year or two > > > > I agree. I'll be more than happy to help get the Plone theming work > > completed. > > > > I've had trouble finding an up-to-date task list for what needs to be > > completed on the Plone work. Bugzilla's issues seem to apply to the > > old-2008 wgo refresh and not the latest refresh. If you could direct > > me to that, I'll be happy to help you finish the Plone work. > > > > Hope I can help, > > Jonathan (aka speedbreeze) > > > > [1] > http://www.google.com/search?q=linguaplone&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=mbl:1&filter=0 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Paul Cutler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 21:04 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > >> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 11:54 +0200, Paul Cutler wrote: > > >> > > > >> > There has been some discussion about switching away from Plone at > > >> > GUADEC > > >> > and a demo of the new site running in Wordpress was shown this week. > > >> > Our largest blocker has always been localization support and the > demo > > >> > did include basic localization support. > > > > >> > > >> Hang on. This is rather brief. Does it just allow translated text to > be > > >> entered, or can it show when, and where, translations need to be > updated > > >> when the original text changes? Does it show how much of the site is > > >> translated for a language already? If it can't do this (and if it > never > > >> will) then I don't see how it can be good enough for the long term. > > >> > > > > > > > > That's why we'll get a demo site up and compare and review. Even basic > > > localization support that doesn't address your concerns above is better > > > than what we have today on gnome.org (which is none) and I think we > need > > > to be honest with ourselves about the progress the Plone site has (or > > > has not) made over the last year or two. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-web-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-web-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list >
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