Wordpress is a great project and has a very active development community, but as a CMS, wouldn't Drupal have been a better choice?
Andy Thornton mobile: 404.932.7858 www.bohemianpixel.com | @bohemianpixel<http://www.twitter.com/BohemianPixel> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, David Bain <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm biased towards Plone, but I think setting up a side by side demo is an > excellent idea. What are the outstanding tasks on the Plone side of things? > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Paul Cutler <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:12 -0700, Jonathan Wilde wrote: >> > I'm concerned about the lack of information here about this new >> > WordPress implementation. I don't know if a demo site will offer >> > enough information to make an informed decision. Is there a public >> > source control repository somewhere where we could review the code? >> >> What lack of information? I was actually proud that I sent an email to >> the list based on two conversations at GUADEC - can't get much more >> transparent than that. I also don't understand your comment about a >> demo site - how can it not have enough information? >> >> The repo is at: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnomeweb-wp/ I'm waiting >> for Vinicius to upload his theme and then I'll ask a sysadmin to get the >> Apache configs updated to a sub-domain. >> >> >> > >> > I also have concerns regarding the long-term flexibility of WordPress >> > for GNOME. I've worked with WordPress for years and have been >> > continually pleased about how WordPress makes it very easy to get a >> > site up. However, I've found that it is often rather difficult to >> > make significant design/architectural changes to large WordPress sites >> > after-the-fact without essentially re-writing the custom components. >> > And judging by the stops-and-starts we've had here, a theme rewrite, >> > regardless of which platform we choose to build on, will be difficult. >> >> The theme is already done - I'm waiting for it to be uploaded to the >> repo, but based on the fact that one developer was able to do it in one >> afternoon gives me hope that we can actually deploy something this year. >> >> > Being a very active and vibrant organization, I think that we can >> > expect that GNOME will have changing needs over time. >> > >> > As with anything else, it's important to choose the right tool for the >> > job. Would you build server software with Actionscript? No. Even >> > though Actionscript might be an easy-to-learn solution, you'd be >> > better off in the long-run using Erlang or Scala because they tend to >> > scale better in concurrent environments. >> > >> > Similarly, WordPress is an easy solution that is great for smaller >> > sites with relatively static needs. But will it be flexible enough >> > and scale to GNOME's needs in the long run? I'm not so sure. On top >> > of this, data migration is difficult. It will probably be difficult >> > to move over to another solution in the future. >> >> I'm not going to get into a WP vs Plone debate - we'll get a demo site >> up, just like we have today of Plone, and review. My biggest concern >> right now is that in almost 5 years of development we don't have a site. >> Considering this has taken that long, I think Wordpress would be far >> more flexible than what we have today. As far as data migration, the >> content for most of the pages has already been written, so I'm not >> seeing issues around data migration. We need to get the theme uploaded >> from the design team and then add the pages and copy / paste the text >> into it from lgo. >> >> Paul >> >> > >> > As for issues with the existing Plone instance: >> > >> > Paul Cutler wrote: >> > >> > > > Our largest blocker has always been localization support and the >> demo >> > > > did include basic localization support >> > >> > I've seen some tweets [1] regarding issues with LinguaPlone, but >> > haven't been able to find what the specific issues are. Is there an >> > IRC transcript that you could direct me to that might contain further >> > information regarding that? The current blocking issues might be easy >> > to mitigate. >> > >> > > I think we need to be honest with ourselves about the progress the >> Plone site has (or >> > > has not) made over the last year or two >> > >> > I agree. I'll be more than happy to help get the Plone theming work >> > completed. >> > >> > I've had trouble finding an up-to-date task list for what needs to be >> > completed on the Plone work. Bugzilla's issues seem to apply to the >> > old-2008 wgo refresh and not the latest refresh. If you could direct >> > me to that, I'll be happy to help you finish the Plone work. >> > >> > Hope I can help, >> > Jonathan (aka speedbreeze) >> > >> > [1] >> http://www.google.com/search?q=linguaplone&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=mbl:1&filter=0 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Paul Cutler <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 21:04 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: >> > >> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 11:54 +0200, Paul Cutler wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > There has been some discussion about switching away from Plone at >> > >> > GUADEC >> > >> > and a demo of the new site running in Wordpress was shown this >> week. >> > >> > Our largest blocker has always been localization support and the >> demo >> > >> > did include basic localization support. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Hang on. This is rather brief. Does it just allow translated text to >> be >> > >> entered, or can it show when, and where, translations need to be >> updated >> > >> when the original text changes? Does it show how much of the site is >> > >> translated for a language already? If it can't do this (and if it >> never >> > >> will) then I don't see how it can be good enough for the long term. >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > That's why we'll get a demo site up and compare and review. Even >> basic >> > > localization support that doesn't address your concerns above is >> better >> > > than what we have today on gnome.org (which is none) and I think we >> need >> > > to be honest with ourselves about the progress the Plone site has (or >> > > has not) made over the last year or two. >> > > >> > > Paul >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > gnome-web-list mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list >> > > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-web-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-web-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list > >
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