But you can’t then quotes for cross-currency values directly, because such 
quotes will be expressed in terms of the primary unit - BTC, for example.

—
Peter West
p...@pbw.id.au
“But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right 
hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret.”

> On 18 Jun 2022, at 4:36 pm, HSC <contact@highseas.capital> wrote:
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the idea of pretending that 1$ = 1BTC doesn't work exactly as 
> it should, because the Spend/Receive fields don't accept entries smaller than 
> 0.01, even if smallest fraction for account is set to 1e-8.
> Neither does setting the decimal places to 8 in Preferences > Numbers > 
> Decimal places affect Spend/Receive fields. Even setting to 3 doesn't 
> increase them beyond 2 decimal places.
> GNC just blanks and ignores a number less than 0.01
> 
> That's tolerable, if we pretend that 1$ = 1 sat instead of 1 BTC, and round 
> the the milisats of fees to nearest 10, as if they are US cents.
> That should be close enough for the foreseeable.
> 
> HSC
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Saturday, June 18th, 2022 at 04:05, HSC <contact@highseas.capital> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Thank you, Michael D Novack!
>> That's a great solution until GNC development catches up to the crypto 
>> world: we will keep separate GNC file for each cryptoasset.
>> 
> 
>> The remaining problem is that Bitcoin Lightning goes to 11 decimal places, 
>> and Ethereum I think goes to 16.
>> Will round up to 1 sat for now, since it's still of insignificant value, but 
>> eventually that will also need some improvement.
>> 
> 
>> Another thing is that moving from onchain Bitcoin to its Lightning layer 
>> channels and back is a Bitcoin transaction in itself, which involves an 
>> onchain fee to open the channel. (Subsequent instant txs in the LN channels 
>> are at most a few sats for substantial BTC amount, and small payments txs 
>> often cost less than 1 sat - a fraction of a US cent in value - as I 
>> mentioned.)
>> So, I guess Lightning layer bitcoins will have to be represented by some 
>> other fiat of the obscure ones that start with L perhaps.
>> 
> 
>> The other issue is exchanging BTC for USD stablecoins, such as USDC. Then 
>> would have to represent that USD with some other dollar, such as the CAD 
>> maybe?
>> 
> 
>> Might get error-prone. Since even Bitcoin is over a decade old now, seems 
>> that it would be useful for GNC to allow "user-defined non-ISO" currencies, 
>> such as "XBT" used for Bitcoin on some exchanges.
>> Seems unlikely that central banks will ever allow such currencies to become 
>> ISO.
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> HSC
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Saturday, June 18th, 2022 at 02:56, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org 
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
> 
>>> 1. Re: Bitcoin Lightning payments (Michael or Penny Novack)
>>> 2. Re: Online crypto value quote (David T.)
>>> 3. Re: Online crypto value quote (Geoff)
>>> 
> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:45:25 -0400
>>> From: Michael or Penny Novack stepbystepf...@comcast.net
>>> 
> 
>>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Bitcoin Lightning payments
>>> Message-ID: 967b4023-8d76-dc43-9fbe-f00854c99...@comcast.net
>>> 
> 
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>>> 
> 
>>> On 6/17/2022 9:21 PM, HSC wrote:
>>> 
> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Haven?t used GC a couple years, and trying to recollect how it all works.
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Current challenge is starting to work with payments and expenses that are 
>>>> exclusively in Bitcoin.
>>> 
> 
>>>> Has anyone experience with some commercial accounting software that 
>>>> handles Bitcoin in an easier way as a currency that it is?
>>> 
> 
>>> IF what you mean by "exclusively in bitcoin" is accounting JUST in
>>> bitcoin, you would not have to treat it as stock/commodity evaluated in
>>> some other currency. You could keep a set of books denominated in
>>> bitcoin. The lack of a currency symbol is an illusion, as they are just
>>> conventional symbols. Understand? In YOUR books "$" doesn't have to
>>> stand for dollars, it could stand for "bitcoin".
>>> 
> 
>>> Michael D Novack
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