Dear Mervyn There is a saying in E Africa which I hope you will understand: The Indian is evil but his shoes are good. I take this to mean the Indian trader and the goods he sold. Best wishes Jeanne
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 20:03 Mervyn Maciel, <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Jeanne, > > I have by no means excluded racism, but must assure you that > I feel NO RESENTMENT whatsoever about my role in colonial Kenya. > That was the status quo then, and individuals like me, who were members > of the Civil Service could not voice their opinions however much we felt > for the African cause. > It may interest you to know that ever since coming to the U.K. over > fifty years > ago, I have still kept in touch with many of my African friends in Kenya, > and still > do even with some of their children. Many of them have visited me and my > wife > at our home here and, an *AFRICAN PROVINCIAL COMMISSIONER, *on one of > his ttrips to the U.K., made a special point of visiting me and lunching > with us. > A couple of Kenya academics have also enjoyed our hospitality here. I > have always got on well with the Africans and am respected by them to this > day. > Some years ago, the Kenya High Commissioner in London, agreed to launch > my very first book at a prominent venue in the city. > This brief comment from a Review of my first book by an *AFRICAN > JOURNALIST* > speaks for itself... > *"Bwana Karani is an excellent personal memoir of Mervyn Maciel's life and* > *times in Kenya. His book is a "Roots" of sorts, and what a journey it is.* > *His love and warmth of the people - AFRICAN PEOPLE cannot be mistaken".* > > I wonder if these Africans would have bothered to visit or keep in touch if > my service record in Kenya was in any way tainted?? > > I hope this sets the record straight and am also grateful for Selma's > intervention. > > > Mervyn Maciel > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 07:02, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Btw Frederick, I do have a complaint and that is your love of lists. >> I hope I am not sending you off on another one. >> Best wishes >> Jeanne >> >> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 00:20 Jeanne Hromnik, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> No complaint, Frederick. >>> Only congratulations on your honesty. >>> Jeanne >>> >>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, 23:28 fredericknoronha2, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Jeanne Hromnik wrote: >>>> ---------------------------- >>>> Gosh, Frederico. I didn't know >>>> you were a wee bit racist. I >>>> expect all Indians are. In >>>> fact, they are considered by >>>> some to be the worst racists of >>>> all, being so practised in >>>> caste distinctions. It is very >>>> heartening to see that you >>>> recognise this in yourself. Jeanne >>>> >>>> Jeanne, I need to understand what exactly your complaint is about here: >>>> >>>> * That I am only a wee bit racist? >>>> * That I don't understand the full degree of my racism? >>>> * That you didn't know, but I did, about my racism? >>>> * That all Indians are racist, and I'm part of that, so I am too? >>>> * That I'm come clean over it? >>>> >>>> Do clarify. FN >>>> >>>> Eugene Correia wrote: >>>> ---------------------------- >>>> ugene Correia<[email protected]> >>>> >>>> That the "likeness of man" is >>>> just rhetoric, and there's nary >>>> any bit of truth in that. No >>>> one has seen God, Jesus was >>>> said to be "Son of God". The >>>> very fact that Jesus, in most >>>> cases, is said to be the God >>>> the Redeemer, as he's said to >>>> have taken away our sins. >>>> Theology is warped in language >>>> that's not to be taken as "word >>>> of God'. God is many things to >>>> different people. >>>> >>>> I think you got me all wrong, mate! I didn't say that man >>>> was created in the likeness of God (and woman out of his >>>> rib). I suggested that it could have well have been the >>>> other way around.... >>>> >>>> About Theology, I never studied it. So won't go there.... >>>> >>>> What's wrong with us, with all such talks about God on the >>>> God Book Club, er, Goa Book Club? This seems like attempts >>>> to fill what might seem like a slow Saturday. Nobody would >>>> guess that another book on an equally sizzling three-letter >>>> word (sex) is/was being released at the Literati in Calangute >>>> today. >>>> >>>> FN >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 16 October 2022 at 02:44:12 UTC+5:30 Eugene Correia wrote: >>>> >>>>> That the "likeness of man" is just rhetoric, and there's nary any bit >>>>> of truth in that. No one has seen God, Jesus was said to be "Son of God". >>>>> The very fact that Jesus, in most cases, is said to be the God the >>>>> Redeemer, as he's said to have taken away our sins. Theology is warped in >>>>> language that's not to be taken as "word of God'. God is many things to >>>>> different people. >>>>> >>>>> Eugene >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 4:43 AM Frederick Noronha < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Someone said God is created in the image and likeness of man. >>>>>> If that were true, She would also be (at least a wee bit) racist, no? >>>>>> Like all of us are? >>>>>> FN >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Mailtrack] >>>>>> <https://streaklinks.com/BPXnScsbW83hh22OJgxqUYTJ/https%3A%2F%2Fmailtrack.io%3Futm_source%3Dgmail%26utm_medium%3Dsignature%26utm_campaign%3Dsignaturevirality11%26> >>>>>> Sender >>>>>> notified by >>>>>> Mailtrack >>>>>> <https://streaklinks.com/BPXnScsmphgWtCV3KQw0iko4/https%3A%2F%2Fmailtrack.io%3Futm_source%3Dgmail%26utm_medium%3Dsignature%26utm_campaign%3Dsignaturevirality11%26> >>>>>> 15/10/22, >>>>>> 02:12:08 pm >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 14:11, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why slam God? >>>>>>> Xxj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, 03:59 'Eddie D'Sa' via The Goa Book Club, < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eddie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white >>>>>>>> Loreto Convent Valley Road >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What an ecovative headline! >>>>>>>> I believe I was among the first Goans at Loreto Convent M'songari. >>>>>>>> We were allowed in post-self government, pre-independence, and I am >>>>>>>> grateful to my parents that they did not compel me to go earlier. >>>>>>>> The trauma of 'first' entrants, while not as dramatic, can be >>>>>>>> compared to that of Afro American students at Alabama State University >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the US. I look back on my two years at Loreto M'songari with anything >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> gratitude to the nuns who made this superior education available to >>>>>>>> 'us' -- >>>>>>>> finally. Their racial attitudes are so deeply ingrained. Their moral >>>>>>>> qualities, in face of their record of discrimination, questionable. >>>>>>>> Anyway, I look forward to reading Cyprian's piece. Thanks for >>>>>>>> posting it, Mervyn. >>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>> Jeanne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:52 AM Mervyn Maciel < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And here are two more links on Dr. Rose D'Sa's book by our >>>>>>>>> friend, Cyprian Fernandes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mervyn Maciel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2022/10/the-law-and-dr-rose-m-dsa.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2022/10/the-first-goan-to-crack-race-bar-at.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first Goan in the mainly white >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Loreto Convent Valley Road >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *** Please be polite and on-topic in your posts. *** >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "The Goa Book Club" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send 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