Postage really is a barrier and makes nonsense even of reasonable pricing. I've read Mervyn's book for free on the British Museum site and discovered a free pdf sponsored by Frederick on a Goa cultural site. Is something similar not available for Rosa's book? Why not fly on the wings of e-publishing and publish in Goa, possibly with the addition of some Goa-oriented bonus features and a reasonable price tag? Mervyn, I'm just as appalled as Eugene by your suggestion, though I admit that a review can play an important role here by putting you off a book and saving you from buying it. (Now that I think of it, you probably meant to direct us to the book via the review.) Like Eugene, I understood the book to be available only in Berlin. xxj
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022, 04:33 fredericknoronha2, <[email protected]> wrote: > Bad news. I don't think the postage is free :-) > Asked for a quote, and was told something in the region of UKP40 (if I > recall correctly). You might be luckier up there in the Norhtern hemisphere. > As they say, there's no such thing as a free meal. Even by way of delivery > to Bogmalo. > FN > > On Saturday, 22 October 2022 at 08:01:03 UTC+5:30 Eugene Correia wrote: > >> I found time to read Cyprian's three-part review, though reading the >> first part I was a bit take aback reading him say that it's not an >> "in-depth" review. However, since he mentioned Part II and III, I wanted to >> get a good grasp of his review. Cyprian's review is a good read in the >> light that he sees Rosa as an exceptional person. He's totally caught >> flat-footed by the resounding volleys of Rosa, though I don't know if >> Cyprian played tennis. Obviously, Rosa has made her mark, both at school >> and later as a barrister and as a member of a top EU body. However, it was >> great to learn that the book is FREE, and I have ordered a copy. >> In passing, thanks Merwyn for driving me post-haste to Cyprian's blog. >> >> Eugene >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 4:23 PM Eugene Correia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Mervyn, >>> I am surprised at your suggestion. A review is important, but does it >>> mean I shouldn't get the book? I haven't read Cyprian yet but I will since >>> you suggested. However, I would desire to read the book, and let me know if >>> it's available in UK, as I have someone there. I should have read a review >>> of your book and that would suffice instead of reading the book and knowing >>> about your work. >>> >>> Eugene >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:38 AM Mervyn Maciel <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Eugene , >>>> No need to wait for Frederick to publish the book. Cyprian’s excellent >>>> review gives you all you need to know about the book and this highly >>>> successful Kenya Goan lady. >>>> >>>> Mervyn Maciel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 17 Oct 2022, at 18:37, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Truth and reconciliation has worked to a degree in SA but, ultimately, >>>> one has to accept that we cannot shed the burden of the past. >>>> xxj >>>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, 13:52 Steve R E Pereira, <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This has been an interesting conversation thread. What it has pointed >>>>> out is that we need sensitivity, nuance but also a clear eyed perspective >>>>> in the role we as Goans played in the colonial, post colonial and neo >>>>> colonial enterprise. Neither finger pointing or wilful blindness is >>>>> helpful. Truth and reconciliation is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I acknowledge the traditional owners whose lands I live and work and >>>>> pay my respects and support to their Elders, past, present, and emerging.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >>>>> Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Mervyn Maciel >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, 17 October 2022 5:03 AM >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white >>>>> Loreto Convent Valley Road >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Jeanne, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have by no means excluded racism, but must assure you that >>>>> >>>>> I feel NO RESENTMENT whatsoever about my role in colonial Kenya. >>>>> >>>>> That was the status quo then, and individuals like me, who were >>>>> members >>>>> >>>>> of the Civil Service could not voice their opinions however much we >>>>> felt >>>>> >>>>> for the African cause. >>>>> >>>>> It may interest you to know that ever since coming to the U.K. over >>>>> fifty years >>>>> >>>>> ago, I have still kept in touch with many of my African friends in >>>>> Kenya, and still >>>>> >>>>> do even with some of their children. Many of them have visited me and >>>>> my wife >>>>> >>>>> at our home here and, an *AFRICAN PROVINCIAL COMMISSIONER, *on one of >>>>> >>>>> his ttrips to the U.K., made a special point of visiting me and >>>>> lunching with us. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of Kenya academics have also enjoyed our hospitality here. I >>>>> >>>>> have always got on well with the Africans and am respected by them to >>>>> this day. >>>>> >>>>> Some years ago, the Kenya High Commissioner in London, agreed to launch >>>>> >>>>> my very first book at a prominent venue in the city. >>>>> >>>>> This brief comment from a Review of my first book by an *AFRICAN >>>>> JOURNALIST* >>>>> >>>>> speaks for itself... >>>>> >>>>> *"Bwana Karani is an excellent personal memoir of Mervyn Maciel's life >>>>> and* >>>>> >>>>> *times in Kenya. His book is a "Roots" of sorts, and what a journey it >>>>> is.* >>>>> >>>>> *His love and warmth of the people - AFRICAN PEOPLE cannot be >>>>> mistaken".* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if these Africans would have bothered to visit or keep in >>>>> touch if >>>>> >>>>> my service record in Kenya was in any way tainted?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope this sets the record straight and am also grateful for Selma's >>>>> intervention. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mervyn Maciel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 07:02, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Btw Frederick, I do have a complaint and that is your love of lists. >>>>> >>>>> I hope I am not sending you off on another one. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Jeanne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 00:20 Jeanne Hromnik, <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No complaint, Frederick. >>>>> >>>>> Only congratulations on your honesty. >>>>> >>>>> Jeanne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, 23:28 fredericknoronha2, <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jeanne Hromnik wrote: >>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>> Gosh, Frederico. I didn't know >>>>> you were a wee bit racist. I >>>>> expect all Indians are. In >>>>> fact, they are considered by >>>>> some to be the worst racists of >>>>> all, being so practised in >>>>> caste distinctions It is very >>>>> heartening to see that you >>>>> recognise this in yourself. Jeanne >>>>> >>>>> Jeanne, I need to understand what exactly your complaint is about here: >>>>> >>>>> * That I am only a wee bit racist? >>>>> * That I don't understand the full degree of my racism? >>>>> * That you didn't know, but I did, about my racism? >>>>> * That all Indians are racist, and I'm part of that, so I am too? >>>>> * That I'm come clean over it? >>>>> >>>>> Do clarify. FN >>>>> >>>>> Eugene Correia wrote: >>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>> ugene Correia<[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> That the "likeness of man" is >>>>> just rhetoric, and there's nary >>>>> any bit of truth in that. No >>>>> one has seen God, Jesus was >>>>> said to be "Son of God". The >>>>> very fact that Jesus, in most >>>>> cases, is said to be the God >>>>> the Redeemer, as he's said to >>>>> have taken away our sins. >>>>> Theology is warped in language >>>>> that's not to be taken as "word >>>>> of God'. God is many things to >>>>> different people. >>>>> >>>>> I think you got me all wrong, mate! I didn't say that man >>>>> was created in the likeness of God (and woman out of his >>>>> rib). I suggested that it could have well have been the >>>>> other way around.... >>>>> >>>>> About Theology, I never studied it. So won't go there... >>>>> >>>>> What's wrong with us, with all such talks about God on the >>>>> God Book Club, er, Goa Book Club? This seems like attempts >>>>> to fill what might seem like a slow Saturday. Nobody would >>>>> guess that another book on an equally sizzling three-letter >>>>> word (sex) is/was being released at the Literati in Calangute >>>>> today. >>>>> >>>>> FN >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, 16 October 2022 at 02:44:12 UTC+5:30 Eugene Correia wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That the "likeness of man" is just rhetoric, and there's nary any bit >>>>> of truth in that. No one has seen God, Jesus was said to be "Son of God". >>>>> The very fact that Jesus, in most cases, is said to be the God the >>>>> Redeemer, as he's said to have taken away our sins. Theology is warped in >>>>> language that's not to be taken as "word of God'. God is many things to >>>>> different people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Eugene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 4:43 AM Frederick Noronha < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Someone said God is created in the image and likeness of man. >>>>> >>>>> If that were true, She would also be (at least a wee bit) racist, no? >>>>> >>>>> Like all of us are? >>>>> >>>>> FN >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Mailtrack] >>>>> <https://streaklinks.com/BPXnScsbW83hh22OJgxqUYTJ/https%3A%2F%2Fmailtrack.io%3Futm_source%3Dgmail%26utm_medium%3Dsignature%26utm_campaign%3Dsignaturevirality11%26> >>>>> >>>>> Sender notified by >>>>> Mailtrack >>>>> <https://streaklinks.com/BPXnScsmphgWtCV3KQw0iko4/https%3A%2F%2Fmailtrack.io%3Futm_source%3Dgmail%26utm_medium%3Dsignature%26utm_campaign%3Dsignaturevirality11%26> >>>>> >>>>> 15/10/22, 02:12:08 pm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 14:11, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Why slam God? >>>>> >>>>> Xxj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, 03:59 'Eddie D'Sa' via The Goa Book Club, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha.* >>>>> >>>>> *Eddie* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 >>>>> Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto >>>>> Convent Valley Road >>>>> >>>>> What an ecovative headline! >>>>> >>>>> I believe I was among the first Goans at Loreto Convent M'songari. We >>>>> were allowed in post-self government, pre-independence, and I am grateful >>>>> to my parents that they did not compel me to go earlier. >>>>> >>>>> The trauma of 'first' entrants, while not as dramatic, can be compared >>>>> to that of Afro American students at Alabama State University in the US. I >>>>> look back on my two years at Loreto M'songari with anything but gratitude >>>>> to the nuns who made this superior education available to 'us' -- finally. >>>>> Their racial attitudes are so deeply ingrained. Their moral qualities, in >>>>> face of their record of discrimination, questionable. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I look forward to reading Cyprian's piece. 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