One can shed the burdens of the past by moving forwards in a positive
spirit.and taking proactive steps to make up for past miss-deeds and deficits
like even reverse-discrimination for a limited period of time.
GL
On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 01:37:02 PM EDT, Jeanne Hromnik
<[email protected]> wrote:
Truth and reconciliation has worked to a degree in SA but, ultimately, one has
to accept that we cannot shed the burden of the past.xxj
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, 13:52 Steve R E Pereira, <[email protected]> wrote:
This has been an interesting conversation thread. What it has pointed out is
that we need sensitivity, nuance but also a clear eyed perspective in the role
we as Goans played in the colonial, post colonial and neo colonial enterprise.
Neither finger pointing or wilful blindness is helpful. Truth and
reconciliation is.
I acknowledge the traditional owners whose lands I live and work and pay my
respects and support to their Elders, past, present, and emerging.
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From: Mervyn Maciel
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 5:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto
Convent Valley Road
Dear Jeanne,
I have by no means excluded racism, but must assure you that
I feel NO RESENTMENT whatsoever about my role in colonial Kenya.
That was the status quo then, and individuals like me, who were members
of the Civil Service could not voice their opinions however much we felt
for the African cause.
It may interest you to know that ever since coming to the U.K. over fifty
years
ago, I have still kept in touch with many of my African friends in Kenya, and
still
do even with some of their children. Many of them have visited me and my wife
at our home here and, an AFRICAN PROVINCIAL COMMISSIONER, on one of
his ttrips to the U.K., made a special point of visiting me and lunching with
us.
A couple of Kenya academics have also enjoyed our hospitality here. I
have always got on well with the Africans and am respected by them to this day.
Some years ago, the Kenya High Commissioner in London, agreed to launch
my very first book at a prominent venue in the city.
This brief comment from a Review of my first book by an AFRICAN JOURNALIST
speaks for itself...
"Bwana Karani is an excellent personal memoir of Mervyn Maciel's life and
times in Kenya. His book is a "Roots" of sorts, and what a journey it is.
His love and warmth of the people - AFRICAN PEOPLE cannot be mistaken".
I wonder if these Africans would have bothered to visit or keep in touch if
my service record in Kenya was in any way tainted??
I hope this sets the record straight and am also grateful for Selma's
intervention.
Mervyn Maciel
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 07:02, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> wrote:
Btw Frederick, I do have a complaint and that is your love of lists.
I hope I am not sending you off on another one.
Best wishes
Jeanne
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 00:20 Jeanne Hromnik, <[email protected]> wrote:
No complaint, Frederick.
Only congratulations on your honesty.
Jeanne
On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, 23:28 fredericknoronha2, <[email protected]>
wrote:
Jeanne Hromnik wrote:
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Gosh, Frederico. I didn't know
you were a wee bit racist. I
expect all Indians are. In
fact, they are considered by
some to be the worst racists of
all, being so practised in
caste distinctions It is very
heartening to see that you
recognise this in yourself. Jeanne
Jeanne, I need to understand what exactly your complaint is about here:
* That I am only a wee bit racist?
* That I don't understand the full degree of my racism?
* That you didn't know, but I did, about my racism?
* That all Indians are racist, and I'm part of that, so I am too?
* That I'm come clean over it?
Do clarify. FN
Eugene Correia wrote:
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ugene Correia<[email protected]>
That the "likeness of man" is
just rhetoric, and there's nary
any bit of truth in that. No
one has seen God, Jesus was
said to be "Son of God". The
very fact that Jesus, in most
cases, is said to be the God
the Redeemer, as he's said to
have taken away our sins.
Theology is warped in language
that's not to be taken as "word
of God'. God is many things to
different people.
I think you got me all wrong, mate! I didn't say that man
was created in the likeness of God (and woman out of his
rib). I suggested that it could have well have been the
other way around....
About Theology, I never studied it. So won't go there...
What's wrong with us, with all such talks about God on the
God Book Club, er, Goa Book Club? This seems like attempts
to fill what might seem like a slow Saturday. Nobody would
guess that another book on an equally sizzling three-letter
word (sex) is/was being released at the Literati in Calangute
today.
FN
On Sunday, 16 October 2022 at 02:44:12 UTC+5:30 Eugene Correia wrote:
That the "likeness of man" is just rhetoric, and there's nary any bit of truth
in that. No one has seen God, Jesus was said to be "Son of God". The very fact
that Jesus, in most cases, is said to be the God the Redeemer, as he's said to
have taken away our sins. Theology is warped in language that's not to be taken
as "word of God'. God is many things to different people.
Eugene
On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 4:43 AM Frederick Noronha <[email protected]> wrote:
Someone said God is created in the image and likeness of man.
If that were true, She would also be (at least a wee bit) racist, no?
Like all of us are?
FN
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 14:11, Jeanne Hromnik <[email protected]> wrote:
Why slam God?
Xxj
On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, 03:59 'Eddie D'Sa' via The Goa Book Club,
<[email protected]> wrote:
So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jeanne Hromnik" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03
Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent
Valley Road
What an ecovative headline!
I believe I was among the first Goans at Loreto Convent M'songari. We were
allowed in post-self government, pre-independence, and I am grateful to my
parents that they did not compel me to go earlier.
The trauma of 'first' entrants, while not as dramatic, can be compared to that
of Afro American students at Alabama State University in the US. I look back on
my two years at Loreto M'songari with anything but gratitude to the nuns who
made this superior education available to 'us' -- finally. Their racial
attitudes are so deeply ingrained. Their moral qualities, in face of their
record of discrimination, questionable.
Anyway, I look forward to reading Cyprian's piece. Thanks for posting it,
Mervyn.
Best wishes
Jeanne
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:52 AM Mervyn Maciel <[email protected]> wrote:
And here are two more links on Dr. Rose D'Sa's book by our
friend, Cyprian Fernandes.
Mervyn Maciel
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https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2022/10/the-law-and-dr-rose-m-dsa.html
https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2022/10/the-first-goan-to-crack-race-bar-at.html
The first Goan in the mainly white
Loreto Convent Valley Road
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