Hi, The system is alive and well in my village in Goa for decades. Infact the males who register get a very handsome zonn. To clarify ---this is in MY family property and NOT my husbands. By Portuguese law everyone gets a share including the spouses. I am happy to look after the family homestead, as my connections to it are strong. I just felt the zonn was meant to help maintain the property which due to my gender I am not eligible.
Marianne On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 6:55 PM John Nazareth <jhr_nazar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Well, first of all, the system is now practically defunct so there would > be nothing left to reform. > > I guess at the time it was formulate the intention was that the woman > would join the communidade of her husband and as such she had access to her > husband’s zonn. > > Frankly, I have found that Goan women were/are very strong and often save > their men from themselves. > > (For a personal example, when Uganda exploded in 1972 I was thinking of > joining the guerrillas in neighbouring Tanzania to fight Amin. I got > married to girlfriend Cynthia Fernandes who was outside the country at the > time. That was the end of my guerrilla thoughts.) > > I have always joked with my friends that Goan society was the only > “patriarchal” society run by the women. > > This is only half a joke; it is a reality. Goan women have run their homes. > > The only thing is that they would do in their husband’s village. > > > > But further to that – I have noticed in my research on clans that a > significant percentage of cases the family unit has moved to live in the > village of the mother (while getting the zonn from the husband’s village. > > > > This too confirms my belief that God is a great joker, but the whole world > is afraid to laugh. > > > > John > > P.S. In the old days the Goan inheritance rules were that the villager’s > family property was shared between the male children. I believe that it > changed so that women also had inheritance rights. I am not sure when it > changed – someone else would be better positioned to say more. > > > > *From:* goa-research-net@googlegroups.com < > goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Marianne de Nazareth > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 9, 2024 2:29 AM > *To:* goa-research-net@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Understanding the clans of Goa... (John Nazareth) > > > > What I feel sad about is that we daughters of the family -- who are the > ONLY ones looking after the family homes -- are not part of the Zonn. > > > > Isnt it time such patriarchy was changed to include us women inheritors? > > > > Dr Marianne Furtado de Nazareth > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:41 AM John Nazareth <jhr_nazar...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > The relationship between the gavnkars, zonnkars, munddkars, and other > players in the gavnkari have been written about for many years and I was > used to reading about them. > > But when Leroy Veloso first showed me his work in 2007 about using the > Matricula – which was primarily for registering people who were to receive > some fraction of the zonn – to identify clans I immediately recognized it > as a valuable bi-product. I don’t think that was its intention but it is > important. > > And its simplicity is elegant. I was surprised that more historians were > not doing it. > > > > Of course, there is deeper work that can proceed from it and the master of > such work is Bernardo De Sousa in his book “The Last Prabhu”. > > Someone needs to create a how-to paper to work with the mahajans to > identify the root surnames the way Bernardo has done. That is not simple. > > But I wanted to point out how simple it is to work with the matricula, say > from 1940, to unearth the clans of a village. > > That is important because now that the Gavnkari has been treated so > callously by the new institutions of governance those documents are in > danger. > > Everyone needs to work quickly to work with their communidade to create a > clan list. > > > > Once the matricula ledgers go to the Panjim Archives it is all over. > > I couldn’t find anyone there who knew what they were and how to get access > to them. They are lost in the ether. > > Finding books of baptisms, marriages and deaths are easy, but you can > forget about the matriculas. > > So work with what you can find in the village communidades today. > > I sat in the Nachinola communidade for just 2 hours and was able to create > a table. Nachinola was my late wife’s village. > > I couldn’t thank them enough for their kindness. They wouldn’t even accept > a donation for their institution. > > But what I have created has been highly prized by my Nachinola friends. > > > > I stand in awe of the traditional system of village governance that stood > for over 1000 years and that is now in its twilight years. > > > > John Nazareth > > > > *From:* goa-research-net@googlegroups.com < > goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *wrdsilva > *Sent:* Sunday, April 7, 2024 12:15 AM > *To:* Goa-Research-Net <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Understanding the clans of Goa... (John Nazareth) > > > > My fieldwork in Goa shows the Matricula etc. have merit, but the 'clan' > system is difficult to describe the way it is often done. Ganvponn, > Ganvkari, Zonn, Zonnkar, Munddkar, Mittgaudde etc.etc. makes the rural > system a little more complicated than it is recovered from 'communidades' > accounts, or vangodd systems. We need good fieldwork complimented by > documents, Portuguese and local (Konkani, Marathi) in order to get a better > grasp of the system operating and changing over external interventions in > Goa. > > William Robert Da Silva > > On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 1:34:30 PM UTC+5:30 Rowena wrote: > > Very exciting. I remember wanting to work on this decades ago. Glad > someone is 👍🏼 Regards, rowena > > On Thu, 4 Apr, 2024, 13:25 Frederick Noronha, <frederic...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > A paper by *John Nazareth* <jhr_na...@hotmail.com>, Canada-based > statistician and history enthusiast. Check it out below. He writes: > "These tables can be gleaned from the Matricula, while is the ledger > within the Communidade office on which they log the gaunkars who are > registering for their zonn." He says while his work covers only a few > villages, others could do so for more. 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