I know many people in for-profit scholarly publishing whose dedication to 
advancing knowledge, not just making a buck, I would not question for a minute, 
but the reality is that making a profit is the overall guiding principle of 
such companies whereas it is not for mission-driven nonprofits who need to make 
enough money to stay in business (including through subsidies and endowments) 
but otherwise are not obliged to make this a top priority.

Just to give a personal example, I decided when I was hired to be director of 
Penn State University Press that it was more important to win book prizes than 
to have a positive balance sheet every year because in that way I could help 
achieve the goal that had been set for me by the president of the university, 
viz., enhancing the reputation of the university in the liberal arts. In the 30 
years prior to my becoming director the Press had won just 4 prizes. By the 
time I retired two decades later the Press had won more than 100 prizes, many 
of them the top prizes awarded by their scholarly associations.  I am sure that 
is what made the university decide to keep the Press operating even though we 
had run up a substantial deficit. The university wiped that deficit off the 
books, gave us an operating subsidy equal to the average annual deficit we had 
had each year, and then approved the administrative merger of the press with 
the library (which had made it clear that the library wanted the press but not 
the deficit!).  That happened in 2005. Four years later when I retired the 
Press had built up nearly a half million in reserve funds and was in better 
financial shape than it had ever been.  Prioritizing quality in scholarship 
over success in the marketplace was the key to the Press's survival and 
eventual financial success later.

Sandy Thatcher
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Common ground between those two appears to me to be the belief that there 
should be scholarly journals. (Which, of course, is not a view that everyone 
holds. But ... even then, I think there is common ground that "scholarly 
communication is a worthwhile activity" ....).

--

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Glenn,

It is 107 pages! In the interim, which may be long, here is a simple example. 
There is a sizable school of thought that says journals should not be published 
by commercial (for profit) publishers. Then there are the commercial 
publishers, who publish a sizable fraction of the journals.

What is the common ground between these two large groups?

David

On Apr 20, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Glenn Hampson 
<ghamp...@nationalscience.org<mailto:ghamp...@nationalscience.org>> wrote:


Hi David,



I encourage you to read the paper and let me know what you think (on-list or 
direct): 
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 I apologize for the length of this---the summary version hasn’t been published 
yet.



Best,



Glenn



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I suspect there are lots of limits to common ground. In fact the hypothesis 
that there is significant common ground strikes me as untested, much less 
proven, especially if one includes the more radical positions.

David Wojick

On Apr 20, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Thatcher, Sanford Gray 
<s...@psu.edu<mailto:s...@psu.edu>> wrote:

I have two brief comments to add to this thread.



1) On the question of translation, ir strikes me that automatic translation, 
however imperfect, could be satisfactory for certain scholarly purposes but not 
others.  We don;t always need an elegant translation to get the gist of what is 
being said, and that may suffice for certain purposes, say, in background 
reading. On the other hand, I have always opposed the CC BY license as 
inadequate it deprives the author of control over quality in translation, which 
is VERY important to scholars at least in the HSS fields, if not in all.  Once 
a poor translation is done, motivation (especially market-based) declines for 
doing a better one.



2) As for "common ground," of course there is common ground to be found amongst 
all types of publishers, but I see a fundamental "divide" between nonprofit and 
for-profit publishers in that at least one potentially key avenue toward open 
access, viz., endowment funding, is available to nonprofits in a way it is not 
to for-profit publishers. Both nonprofit and for-profit publishers can operate 
on the basis of having the market mechanism be that by which they fund their 
businesses, but only nonprofits have these nonmarket-based alternatives (which 
also include university subsidies to presses) to explore as well. That is a 
basic difference that will determine what the limits of "common ground" can be.



Sandy Thatcher

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Hi Kathleen, Richard,

Can I suggest another way to look at these questions? First some background. As 
you know, the Open Scholarship Initiative (OSI) is launching Plan A today 
(http://plan-a.world<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fplan-2Da.world-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csgt3-2540psu.edu-257Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6-257C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e-257C0-257C0-257C637229919746486702-26sdata-3DHqX4dQyCuH8rAVD32rhxqwt7FR9edEJf6s449J3X550-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DEE5vJ-IOLjGK--oAkNW9DMFEo5gGTLnGLRqx-7NCwVg%26m%3DMoby8cPeQobkgyhl9svyz1qmMoQYRNBRmlMk2To-8u8%26s%3D4ZfA2Jtgd_YQdkn-yK8HScL7q7oL8wD8ZLbCiu4Yxzw%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cbc0a1a19cd4f4688a62008d7e56031a4%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637230073631955366&sdata=rRetOrwcA%2Bw718wqcOC5VF6Jr8WUkzYHU8uwoeH%2BVjM%3D&reserved=0>).
 Plan A is OSI’s 2020-25 action plan, representing five years of deep thinking 
that OSI participants have invested in the many questions related to the future 
of scholarly communication reform.

Plan A looks at the “bibliodiversity” challenge a little differently. For OSI, 
diversity has also meant inclusion---listening to everyone’s ideas (including 
publishers), valuing everyone’s input, trying to develop a complete 
understanding of the scholarly communication landscape, and trying to reach a 
point where we can work together on common ground toward goals that serve all 
of us.

We have found over the course of our work that most everyone in the scholarly 
communication community recognizes the same challenges on the road ahead, we 
all have the same needs, and we all suffer from the same inability to see the 
full picture ourselves and to make change by ourselves. Fulfilling the vision 
of bibliodiversity will mean valuing everyone’s perspective of and contribution 
to the scholarly communication system, and truly working together across our 
real and perceived divides to achieve, together, what is in the best interest 
of research and society.

OSI’s common ground paper provides a deeper look at this common ground and some 
of the approaches suggested by OSI participants. The summary version will be 
published soon by Emerald Open; for now, the full-length version is available 
under the resources tab of the Plan A website.

My short answer to your questions, Richard, about practical matters like how 
all this change is going to transpire and through what mechanisms, is that for 
us, this needs to be decided by Plan A signatories (and will be). This effort 
is designed to tie into UNESCO’s ongoing open science roadmap work (which OSI 
is helping with). UNESCO’s plan will be presented to the UN in late 2021. The 
longer answer is that the real value in this conversation will come as we 
“expand the pie.” This isn’t about looking for compromise positions between 
read-only access and read-reuse, or between zero and 6-month embargo periods. 
It’s about truly working together on common interests, and thinking through 
issues in a way we haven’t before as a community (in a large-scale, diverse, 
high level, policy-oriented sense).

I expect our efforts will cross paths in the years ahead, Kathleen. We would be 
honored to collaborate and contribute to your work.

Best regards to you both,

Glenn



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A Call for Action



Hello Richard,



Yes, indeed, you are right, the coordinated actions required for 
bibliodiversity are similar to the efforts needed to deal with the covid19 
pandemic.



For your second question, the way I am envisioning the collaborations taking 
place is as follows: much of the discussions across the different stakeholder 
communities will happen at the national and sometimes regional level, while the 
international coordination will take place, in parallel, within each different 
stakeholder community. Although not a perfect solution, because some countries 
are more cohesive than others, many communities already have fairly strong 
regional and international relationships with their peers, including scholarly 
societies, libraries, funders (e.g. the funders forum at RDA), governments, as 
well as publishers, and repositories.



1.       Are translation technologies adequate to the task envisaged for them 
in the document?



I’m not an expert on translation technologies, but my colleagues tell me that 
for some languages the technologies are quite far along already and work well 
(e.g. Spanish, French, Portuguese, Chinese), for others it will take a bit 
longer. They are suggesting a timeline for most languages to have fairly good 
translation tools available within the next 5 years.



3.       Might it be that the different interests and priorities of these 
stakeholders are such that joint action is not possible, certainly in a way 
that would satisfy all the stakeholders? After all, funders got involved with 
open access because after 20+ years the other stakeholders had failed to work 
together effectively. However, in doing so, these funders appear (certainly in 
Europe) to be pushing the world in a direction that the authors of this report 
deprecate. What, practically, can the movement do to achieve the aspirations of 
the document beyond making a call to action or further declarations?



The point of this call to action is to raise awareness with funders and others 
about this important issue. I’m not so cynical to think organizational 
perspectives can never change. Strategies can (and should) evolve as we gain a 
better understanding of the landscape, and adopt new ideas and principles. We 
hope that this call to action will have that type of impact.

And, yes of course not all interests will align, but we are already seeing more 
cohesiveness at the national level than in the past. In Canada, where I am 
based, for example, the funders, libraries and local Canadian publishers are 
now in regular dialogue and collaborating to work on common action items and to 
better align policies, funding and infrastructure. This is also happening in 
other jurisdictions such as France with its Committee for Open 
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 and Portugal where the national funder, universities (including libraries and 
university presses) and scholarly societies have created and maintain a 
national infrastructure for Open Access (hosting repositories and journals) and 
aligned policies.



All the best,

Kathleen





Kathleen Shearer

Executive Director

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On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:31 AM, Richard Poynder 
<richard.poyn...@gmail.com<mailto:richard.poyn...@gmail.com>> wrote:



“Designing a system that fosters bibliodiversity, while also supporting 
research at the international level is extremely challenging. It means 
achieving a careful balance between unity and diversity; international and 
local; and careful coordination across different stakeholder communities and 
regions in order to avoid a fragmented ecosystem.”



That seems to me to be a key paragraph in this document. And the pandemic — 
which requires that information is shared very quickly and broadly, and across 
borders — does certainly highlight the fact that the current scholarly 
communication system leaves a lot to be desired.



I have three questions:



1.       Are translation technologies adequate to the task envisaged for them 
in the document?



2.       How is it envisaged that researchers, policymakers, funders, service 
providers, universities and libraries from around the world will all work 
together, and by means of what forum? I know there are a number of 
organisations and initiatives focused on the different issues raised in the 
document (not least COAR) but how exactly, and by what means, will these 
different stakeholders coordinate and work together to achieve the stated aims? 
I know there are a number of library-led organisations (like COAR), but is not 
a more diverse forum (in terms of the different stakeholders) needed? How many 
members of COAR are also members of cOAlition S for instance?



3.       Might it be that the different interests and priorities of these 
stakeholders are such that joint action is not possible, certainly in a way 
that would satisfy all the stakeholders? After all, funders got involved with 
open access because after 20+ years the other stakeholders had failed to work 
together effectively. However, in doing so, these funders appear (certainly in 
Europe) to be pushing the world in a direction that the authors of this report 
deprecate. What, practically, can the movement do to achieve the aspirations of 
the document beyond making a call to action or further declarations?



Richard Poynder





On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 15:53, Kathleen Shearer 
<scholc...@lists.ala.org<mailto:scholc...@lists.ala.org>> wrote:

(Apologies for the cross posting)

Dear all,

Today, my colleagues and I are issuing a “Call for Action!”

With the publication of this paper, Fostering Bibliodiversity in Scholarly 
Communications: A Call for 
Action<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.coar-2Drepositories.org-252Fnews-2Dupdates-252Ffostering-2Dbibliodiversity-2Din-2Dscholarly-2Dcommunications-2Da-2Dcall-2Dfor-2Daction-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csgt3-2540psu.edu-257Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6-257C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e-257C0-257C0-257C637229919746506694-26sdata-3DGmJtOEAK5Alb-252BxZxA-252F56XPAXwEb1M1aGpNIqjuN4I2Q-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DEE5vJ-IOLjGK--oAkNW9DMFEo5gGTLnGLRqx-7NCwVg%26m%3DMoby8cPeQobkgyhl9svyz1qmMoQYRNBRmlMk2To-8u8%26s%3DHj1FWgFltOQ9imAjjbMc4cUUjWwt8dCZWv4gumHIBA8%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cbc0a1a19cd4f4688a62008d7e56031a4%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637230073631985347&sdata=2c4Jku2ZtLDTeMoyPwUZGN2GOhTQnTJdBtqW2hzwe1U%3D&reserved=0>,
 we are calling on the community to make concerted efforts to develop strong, 
community-governed infrastructures that support diversity in scholarly 
communications (referred to as bibliodiversity).

Diversity is an essential characteristic of an optimal scholarly communications 
system. Diversity in services and platforms, funding mechanisms, and evaluation 
measures will allow the research communications to accommodate the different 
workflows, languages, publication outputs, and research topics that support the 
needs and epistemic pluralism of different research communities. In addition, 
diversity reduces the risk of vendor lock-in, which inevitably leads to 
monopoly, monoculture, and high prices.

We are living through unprecedented times, with a global pandemic sweeping the 
world, leading to illness, death, and unparalleled economic upheaval.  Although 
our concerns about bibliodiversity have been growing for years, the current 
crisis has exposed the deficiencies in a system that is increasingly homogenous 
and prioritizes profits over the public good.

Stories abound about the urgent need for access to the research literature, as 
illustrated, for example, by this message by Peter Murray-Rust 
posted<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fmailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk-252Fpipermail-252Fgoal-252F2020-2DMarch-252F005395.html-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csgt3-2540psu.edu-257Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6-257C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e-257C0-257C0-257C637229919746516685-26sdata-3D32VY-252BP9lU992c78uw7yKrXq4rCqbErCOiXmL0sPVYXs-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DEE5vJ-IOLjGK--oAkNW9DMFEo5gGTLnGLRqx-7NCwVg%26m%3DMoby8cPeQobkgyhl9svyz1qmMoQYRNBRmlMk2To-8u8%26s%3Dkxkmioe9sRmnX2hmBdXyb2YRHQlLUwwOnKyNoz-D_38%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cbc0a1a19cd4f4688a62008d7e56031a4%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637230073631995345&sdata=J4A0fFdD8HYKRRcyLz%2BE%2B7luvXyWuzID1%2BZf3nENSi0%3D&reserved=0>
 to the GOAL mailing list on March 31, 2020

“My colleague, a software developer, working for free on openVirus software,  
is spending most of his time working making masks in Cambridge Makespace to 
ship to Addenbrooke’s hospital. When he goes to the literature to find 
literature on masks, their efficacy and use and construction he finds paywall 
after paywall after paywall after paywall ….”

For those who were not in favour of open access before, this global crisis 
should settle the debate once and for all.

We must move away from a pay-to-read world in which researchers, practitioners 
and the public cannot afford to access critical research materials, or have to 
wait for embargo periods to lift before they can develop life saving 
techniques, methods and vaccines. Access to the research is simply too 
important. Yet, pay-to-publish, the open access model being advanced by many in 
the commercial sector, is also inappropriate as it places unacceptable 
financial barriers on researchers’ abilities to publish.

It is time to reassess some of the basic assumptions related to scholarly 
communications, including competition, prestige, and the role of commercial 
entities. The same values that underlie our research and education systems 
should also guide research communications.

To that end, we are calling on researchers, policy makers, funders, service 
providers, universities and libraries from around the world to work together to 
address the issue of bibliodiversity in scholarly communication.

The problems we encounter have never been more complex and urgent, nor has the 
need for solutions been greater. There is a real danger that new budget 
constraints and an increasing proportion of funds directed towards large 
commercial entities could lead to greater homogeneity and monopolization, 
further hampering the free flow of research needed to address the critical 
challenges we face.

Read the blog post 
here<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.coar-2Drepositories.org-252Fnews-2Dupdates-252Ffostering-2Dbibliodiversity-2Din-2Dscholarly-2Dcommunications-2Da-2Dcall-2Dfor-2Daction-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csgt3-2540psu.edu-257Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6-257C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e-257C0-257C0-257C637229919746516685-26sdata-3DNI0KB7aMiy7FD724mBGTXt7BNOkZs3lRoQJqgs2SJT4-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DEE5vJ-IOLjGK--oAkNW9DMFEo5gGTLnGLRqx-7NCwVg%26m%3DMoby8cPeQobkgyhl9svyz1qmMoQYRNBRmlMk2To-8u8%26s%3DM8KiiDk8Q8h1q5jOn7_HzZy3IdLX8uYRiKm7buS919Y%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cbc0a1a19cd4f4688a62008d7e56031a4%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637230073632005336&sdata=IGBmZIux%2B8BuxFkOdtUWaj%2Ffq1cfcquHJo9A%2BeThuX8%3D&reserved=0>
 and full paper 
here<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fdoi.org-252F10.5281-252Fzenodo.3752923-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csgt3-2540psu.edu-257Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6-257C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e-257C0-257C0-257C637229919746526679-26sdata-3DXi-252BI4xj9DZVaH2oX9G7T6buQtWrwNR4E25HuavhFXzQ-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DEE5vJ-IOLjGK--oAkNW9DMFEo5gGTLnGLRqx-7NCwVg%26m%3DMoby8cPeQobkgyhl9svyz1qmMoQYRNBRmlMk2To-8u8%26s%3DtlKC8g8tVTuxR9WBLxFAJ8RmdMMu0-bwbzdEemwWHdo%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cbc0a1a19cd4f4688a62008d7e56031a4%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637230073632005336&sdata=dxZwPEW85ZkzX4GNkMo7NVWJRZdCdkNSgdLdhis9yGo%3D&reserved=0>



Kathleen Shearer

Executive Director

Confederation of Open Access Repositories (COAR)

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