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Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- It is unfortunate that many of my simple questions and requests about fake morality were not answered. Instead, we have the all-too-familiar name-calling directed at some unknown imaginary folk, prejudiced false assumptions about me, and unwarranted personal insults, including an attempt to associate me with Hitler. The reason for engaging in this behavior is not clear to me. Does the moral code of any group dictate such behavior? But perhaps, this display reveals more about the individual or group member who resorts to it than about the people against whom it is directed. Therefore, I will simply address a few points, and end by asking one more time my unanswered questions, with a humble request to answer them without resorting to gratuitous name-calling, derisive remarks and prejudiced assumptions meant to portray me as morally and intellectually inferior to members who are affiliated with some religious and other groups. Mario Goveia wrote: > >Perhaps that is also why you are being veritably >inundated with responses. > Is this a statement of fact or of sarcasm? I have not seen any such inundation. > >It is not I who needs to mind, but someone like >yourself who can provide a dismissive conclusion >like, "Wrong answer. But never mind." without any >supporting rationale. > The rationale has already been provided. Please see my earlier post. > >If by "mob psychology" and "herd mentality" you mean >religion,............ > Wrong and prejudiced assumption. Both religious and non-religious groups are prone to mob psychology and herd mentality. Non-religious groups include political parties, trade unions, lobbies, secular humanists, etc. > >All we see are platitudes towards individualism and >independent thinking, which conveniently absolves one >of all responsibility other than that thankfully >imposed by law. > Incoherent statement, and absurd dismissal of individualism and independent thinking. It is well known that todays laws were framed by rational independent thinkers. A large part of the modern legal system is to protect the rights of the individual. The notion that rational independent thinking and individualism absolves anyone of individual personal responsibility is utterly preposterous. > >Since we have established that the "mob behavior" you >are referring to is the practice of religion, can you >show us where anyone has been arrested while >following the rock solid moral code of any religion? > Who are the "we" that you are referring to? Please name all the members of your group who have established such a fake assumption. If you cannot do so, I humbly request you not to ascribe your prejudices to others. The mob behavior I am referring to applies to both religious and non-religious groups. Please see above. However, as a statement of fact modern secular laws have many conflicts with various religious codes. For example, people belonging to religious sects whose moral codes ban childhood immunization have been arrested for refusing to give Polio vaccines to their children. Sati and religious human sacrifice are banned by secular laws. People who still practice them in India have been arrested. Mormons have been arrested in the U.S. for practicing polygamy according to their moral code. Digambara Jains who practice nudism would be arrested for nudity. Satya Sai Baba, a founding godman of a religious sect would have been arrested for ritualistic pedophilia if the existing secular laws were properly enforced. Please let me know if you need any more such examples. > >There are no religious moral codes that encourage >nudism or pedophilia. > Wrong as usual. Please see above. > >Nothing in any religious moral code harms or even >threatens individuals or society as a whole. > Wrong as usual. Please see above. Please let me know if you need other examples. > >One has to belong to an organization to appreciate >losing credibility within it or the more serious >consequences of being excluded from the group or >publicly censured by the group's leadership. > How many people have suffered these serious consequences for violating the first three commandments of the modern modified version of the code of your group? Can you name any of these people? Does this apply to other groups such as Hindus, Communists, Secular Humanists, etc, as well? Also please note that you have not responded to the following questions and requests. I humbly request you to do so without trying to offend me. Your repeated attempts at personal insult are unlikely to raise your credibility in the minds of any individual or group member. 1. How is the severity of each infraction graded and by whom? 2. How many levels of severity are there? 3. Do the group members follow their code even if it is harmful to them or to society as a whole? 4. Why are individualism and independent rational thinking not permitted by these codes? 5. Please state the specific assertions in these codes, which prohibit hypocrisy. 6. Please enumerate the other groups, besides organized religious ones, mentioned by you in your earlier post. 7. How many such other groups are there? 8. How many rock solid codes are there in all i.e. those of organized religious groups and those of other groups? Cheers, Santosh _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org