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16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "Frederick [FN] Noronha * ??? ?????????????????? ??? ????????? ??????????????? " > > Goa, become a toilet? Even if this is true, I would > say the expat Goan has to take on his or her own > (large) share of the blame for this. > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes, yes, FN, three cheers! Let's find a fall guy everytime something goes wrong in Goa. > The only person, not responsible for the state of affairs in Goa, is the Goan living in Goa. > Mario responds: > a) Those who think that Goa has become a toilet obviously haven't seen the rest of India. Perhaps neighboring Maharashtra could be described as such, but not Goa, yet. > b) Who the heck is "kkbtnt1"? I though we were not supposed to hide our identities on Goanet. > c) Fred Noronha needs to get his keyboard fixed ??? ?????????????????? ??? ????????? ????????? > d) I strongly deny I have anything to do with any mess in Goa - even the NRIs who defend the status quo and demonize the Panchayats are not to blame. > e) Besides Wendell Rodricks, who knows more about village Panchayats than any NRI, I have made the only practical, constructive proposals that will prevent future messes in Goa. > f) I think Goa would be a better place if everyone who lived there shared Wendell's constructive and positive attitude. > Selma wrote: > the Goan living in Goa is free to vote in the most corrupt politicians year in and year out, that Goan is free to sell his land to developers, then march in the streets demanding the developers abandon their financial investment and walk back home empty singing a merry tune all the way back to his bank, defaulting on his loan and creating a financial quagmire in the State. The Goan living in Goa, can employ labour from outside of Goa at subsistence level wages, ensure that their politicians legitimise their stay, and then that same Goan in Goa will complain about migrants, assault some hapless people, evict them from their homes and send them back with barely their skin on them. Let's not forget that Goans in Goa, sold their flats to the British and now those Goans in Goa want to confiscate their properties and auction them off. Let's wave goodbye to law, justice and any semblance of fairness as we know it. > Mario observes: > As we can plainly see, Selma gets carried away with her own soaring rhetoric and talks like all Goans are peas in a pod. > The Goan who votes for corrupt politicians and sells his or her land is not the same Goan who then marches in the streets against ugly developments. > The Goan who keeps the Goan economy humming by employing non-Goans because he or she cannot find Goans to work is not the same Goan who "...complain about migrants, assault some hapless people, evict them from their homes and send them back with barely their skin on them." This comparison doesn't even make any sense. > The Goans who sold their flats to Brits are not the same Goans who want to confiscate them and auction them off. > There are all kinds of Goans with all kinds of needs and desires and ideas. That is why a democracy has been likened to making chorizos. In a democracy EVERYONE does what they think is in the best interests of their families and themselves. The net result is what you see in Goa. > Apparently, not enough Goans think it is a mess yet, though the good news that more and more seem to be waking up to the realization in places like Soccorro and Aldona and Benaulim and Moira, and their Panchayats and Gram Sabhas are responding which has Digambar Kamat all upset because his close personal friends and political associates may have to return some of their baksheesh. > The "justice" and "fairness" that Selma is looking for is in the eye of the beholder - it all depends on whose ox is being gored. > Which, to be "just" and "fair", is why we need zoning laws, developed with citizen input and administered by those who are closest to the problem, at the village level, the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas, where the citizens can stroll over and have a cup of chai with the Sarpanch and express their opinion - as Wendell does on behalf of Colvale. >