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http://goanvoice.org.uk/miningpetition.php --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sebastian, I was a 100% certain that would share/ present this robust list. One can sense it exists but one must also have the wherewithal, or at least a place to begin. These are simply marvellous: Kirmiji = Bluish red, Kusumbem = Reddish saffron, and the bhogvem (bhagwa, Marathi, etc.) referring also to Saffron (I presume with some fluorescing quality). Vittkem .... = Pale .... and Fikem .... = Faded .... would certainly extend my attempt at pinning (with some leeway) down colors in Konk'nni. The prefix vittkem to bhogvem, to X-sar could take one in the range of the cadmiums. To say the name of a color one is used to in English, etc., into Konk'nni while also attempting to observe the effect it would have on the mind could be something (we are getting into issues of perception here). I believe one sees colors differently through different languages. Its like saying Poptti and telling someone a color is Parrot green---the "impression" would not be the same, I believe. I am blown by colors that you present falling under Ochres (from Vittkem-Pivllem, Vittkem-Hollduvem and into Gamboge, etc) , Earth (Matkott), and Browns (may their tribe increase)---suggesting subtlety in tonalities. Needless to say we are a brown people, although many desperately see themselves as wheat-complexioned. This is a great service to Indian-kind and Goans: Udi = Brown, Kabrem = Brown (especially for cattle), Kondi = Dust coloured, Pingxem, pingllem = Tawny, Gonvall = Wheatish, Mollkhav = Dirty brown, Matkott = Earthy, Vittkem-Hollduvem = Buff, Topkiri = Snuff-colour. Topkiri is all the more fascinating to me since my Mothers place was called as Dumtikaragher. Up(arunn) = Infrared. I presume the arunn is akin to arunday(a) (dawn). Oti(nil) = Ultraviolet; interesting to see the "nil" appear here. Akaxi = sky blue, Kirmiji = Bluish red, Ognivornn = Crimson: For the poets for sure. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Alambradu/ alambreadu: I am not displeased to hear that Alambradu/ alambreadu means amber, which in Portuguese is ambarino. This means that my conjecture<http://venantiusjpinto.blogspot.com/2010/02/colloqualism-alhambraduu-from-alhambra.html>that the word must come from the Arabic Al-hambra (the Red, the Moorish castle Alhambra) must be wrong. Btw, I mention at the link that one of my long-term goals is to write a dictionary on color in Japan, BUT in Japanese. How crazy is that? Very. Anyway, back to Goa. Below are three translations<http://www.songs-from-goa.at/goa/docs/mando.htm>of the Alambradu line in Suria Noketrancho Porim Porzolta and in all three, the line reads as "Alambradu pole tuje." None says dolle. So something is up. The link in "three trasnlations" above is, http://www.songs-from-goa.at/goa/docs/mando.htm It is hard to locate the text, but each has an attached reference 102, 103, and 104. Roman Abreu simple keeps it Alambradu in the English translation. I have also seen a translation which refers to Alambrad(u) as alabaster!! The other two translators are José Pereira and Olivinho Gomes. 1. Suria Noketrancho Porim Porzolta (The sun shines like stars) Type: Mando; Source: J.A.A. Fernandes, vulgo: André Xett (1884-1980). Manuscript 1971. Song No. 52. Bogtavaddo, Chorão; Lyrics and Music; Date:---; Musical form: Binary; ; Literary form: Monologue; Translated by Olivinho Gomes (1943-2009). University of Goa, 2001 Alambradu pole tuje, môgreche [102] kolle, Your cheeks of alabaster, buds of moghra, ([102] Botanical name: *Jasminum Species*. (Romano Abreu).) 2. Surya Noketranche Porim Porzolta (The sun is shining like stars) Type: Mando; Source: Lourdinho Barreto. Goemchem Git. Pustok 1, pg. 8-9 Lyrics and Music:----; Date:----; Musical form: Ternary; Literary form: Monologue; Published 15.08.82. Printed by Pedro Barreto, Panaji; Translated by Romano Abreu, Moira, June 2003 Alamabrad(u) tuje pole, mogreanche kolle, Alamabrad(u) your cheeks like jasmine buds, ([103]Choosing one´s own mate, instead of this being done by one´s parents, is a common thing with Goan Christians. But freedom to choose one´s mate does not always lead to a happy end, as seen in this song. (V. S. Sukhthanker: 75-76).) 3. Surya-Noketranche Porim Porzolleta (You sparkle like the moon and the stars) Type: Mando; Source: Pereira, José/ Martins, Michael. Song of Goa. pp. 150-151; Lyrics and Music: Gizelino Rebelo (1875-1931); Date: 1922 [103]; Musical form: Ternary; Literary form: Monologue; Published 2000. New Delhi: Aryan Books International; Translated by José Pereira Alambrado pole tuje mogreche kolle, Your cheeks are amber and buds of jasmine, ([103] Composed in 1922, the year of the suicide of Mário Rodrigues, along with the *mando* *Zaite Vorsanch’ Muje Baie Maka Sintment Kitea’ Dile*. Dedicated to Clara Menezes. (José Pereira).) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have always been interested in color, and this is a complex area which needs a lot of work, and maturity---particularly if one wishes to see its reach beyond the names of colors, but stretching into language and expression. Again a diversion into Japanese to give you a sense of one of the strands of my thought: Its interesting that the Kanji (Hanxhi) character for color (iro) also appears in compound characters for a host of words including those related to sexuality. Here are a few: irouke (tender passion), iroka (female charms), irojikake (under pretense of love), irokichigai (erotomania), gay quarters (iromachi), irome (amorous glance, make eyes), iroonna (mistress), iroppoi (amorous, coquettish)! Slow and steady. Moving on. venantius j pinto Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:30:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sebastian Borges <s_m_bor...@yahoo.com> > To: GoaNet fred <goanet@lists.goanet.org> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rong+Colors_in Konk'nni > > Dear Venantius, > You are doing a great job, indeed! > Some clarifications: > Hirvem is also used for green.? I do not know whether thetwo words are used > for two different shades of green or are synonyms used at different > locations. Dalgado notes that hirvem is used in NC. > When I wrote "Nill", I meant the dye called Indigo derived from Indigo > plant, the same as Robin Blue. > Parvo, in Konkani, is? dove.? I have not heard the word being used for any > colour. > Some more colour words: > For blue we also use the Port. azul. > Akaxi = sky blue > Onjiri = Fig-coloured > Udi = Brown > Korddem = Iron grey (especially for horse) > Kabrem = Brown (especially for cattle) > Kondi = Dust coloured > Pingxem, pingllem = Tawny > Lal = Red > Kirmiji = Bluish red > Kusumbem = Reddish saffron > Kesri, bhogvem = Safron > Gonvall = Wheatish > Topkiri = Snuff-colour > Matkott = Earthy > Pitthur = Milky white (from pitth = flour) > Pivllem, pinvllem = Yellow > Poptti = Parrot green > Vittkem .... = Pale .... > Vittkem-Hollduvem = Buff > Mollkhav = Dirty brown > Fikem .... = Faded .... > Ognivornn = Crimson > Kavi = Cream > Uparunn = Infrared > Otinil = Ultraviolet > Please note that those colour-words which end in -em are declinable; e.g > "dhovem" is also used as dhovo/dhovi etc. as the case may be, depending upon > the gender and number of the qualified noun. The others are indeclinable; > e.g. "poptti" is not to be used as poptto/popttem. > > Today, I met a friend who is well-versed with mando.? I asked him whether > "Tambdde roza tuje pole..." is also sung as "Alambreadu tuje pole...."? He > said it is a different mando, and actually sang it for me.? It goes > "Alambreadu tuje dolle...." i.e. the yellowish brown or amber colour is of > eyes, not cheeks.? This means 'alambread' is also a Konkani colour word. > > Will communicate if I come across some more. Please carry on. > > Mog asum. > Sebastian Borges > >