I am not directing it to anyone specifically here on thid board..after taking into everything i have heard from so many people that practice buddhismm over the past 10 years..I have come to a conclusion..And yes ,I am generalizing.. to me there is not difference from fundamental christians..same thing..I guess its in all religions..
--- On Fri, 6/18/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, SGI To: [email protected] Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 11:17 AM Hi Miguel, You imply that those of us who have written about the below mentioned incident are "judgemental, " but in a previous post you were looking for further information on it when you requested that I quote from the book (which I will later tonight or tomorrow morning). I'm confused. Ernesto -----Original Message----- From: jesus santiago <desertmonk2002@ yahoo.com> To: GohonzonForum <GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:24 am Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, SGI Listen if someone slantered my father or mentor who died in prison...I dont care if its the pope ..I am going to punch that guy out! As buddhist as I am..I am still a human..trying to change..and if someone pressed the wrong buttons on me..I would be like that too. I came up from the streets..and when a man gets in your face..you take care of business at times.. Now does he still go around doing the same things he did back then? Has he changed?Its easy for anyone to slanter someone on line and discredit someone..and that person cant at times defend themselves.. I dont know if anyone here has ever been falsely accused? Let me tell you..it is the most hurtful thing anyone can go through... I tell you..buddhist are has judgemental as any christian i know.. --- On Thu, 6/17/10, kokoroi...@aol. com <kokoroi...@aol. com> wrote: From: kokoroi...@aol. com <kokoroi...@aol. com> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, SGI To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 3:28 PM Him and some of his mates in the SGI battered a Priest who was in his 60s because he disagreed with their views. This happened way back in the days, 40s or 50s. If you search the net you will find the correct information as I did. This event is discussed in the now long out of print book, Japan's New Buddhism. The priest is described there as being an "octogenarian, " meaning he was in his eighties, not sixties. The YMD went to the old priest's home and dragged (literally and eventually carried) him to a cemetery in the middle of the night. He was roughed up and forced to apologize to the tomb of Makiguchi in his underwear. If I recall correctly, the old priest's "crime" was in writing a doctrinal paper stating that the time for Shakabuku was over (but I might be wrong about this). Ikeda, himself, wrote the preface to this book, highly praising it. It was either the first, or one of the first, scholarly works to be done about the Gakkai by an independent source. If anyone is interested, I can post a quote directly from the book, as well as publishing information. Ernesto -----Original Message----- From: jesus santiago <desertmonk2002@ yahoo.com> To: GohonzonForum <GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 11:42 am Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, SGI I understand your concern..and i thank you for replying..What i do know is that SGI s very much into what i like to call heroe worship..Or lets just say an overly amount of praise and attention to the leadership.. It seems everything is focused on the leader and what the leader does..and its almost like Deity worshipping of an aging man..thats my take...Now when it comes to the doctrine that SGI teaches...do you considered it unsound? As far AS The research goes.how can we trust whats on line to be accurate imformation? --- On Thu, 6/3/10, James Noonan <jamesnoonan883@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote: From: James Noonan <jamesnoonan883@ yahoo.co. uk> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, SGI To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:13 AM Mr Santiago, As I said before I came across this information on the net about 18 mths ago. I do not remember exactly where it was but I will try to find it again. For all the worried people you speak of or for I suggest they should do their own research on the web all the information is out there. I do not have a vendetta if I had I would have given a link to where the facts of the matter are and would have posted the information 18 mths ago when I found it. Personally I think SGIism is becoming further and further removed from Buddhism and I would like unsuspecting people to be aware of the truth. I feel that people who embrace any religious teaching are searching for the truth. The truth is sometimes ugly, George Bush is a mass murderer, Tony Blair is a war criminal. There are sad truths as well, there is a cure for cancer !! but governments wont allow us to have it because the drug companies are making so much money. Life can be so crap if one does not think for oneself. Forget the phoney guru, Nichiren told you and I we have a Buddahnature. Did you see the excerpts of the Shakubuku Bible posted here by Nancy? From: ras miguel <desertmonk2002@ yahoo.com> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, 1 June, 2010 4:40:34 Subject: [GohonzonForum] Re: [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, SGI If you search the net you will find the correct information as I did. Where on the net did you get this info? --- In GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com, jesus santiago <desertmonk2002@ ...> wrote: > > Mr,Noonan can you actually bring forth these facts..I would like to see > them?or read them..everything you just said..you have it documented? I need > to see this evidence you speak of..I know people that are really worried > about what is going on... >  > Personally.. if you are going to talk on a subject one should bring forth the > facts..so far it sounds like hearsay..and that  you have a personal > vendatta'. I have heard all kinds of things from people abut this man..but i > would like to read the proof..where on the web did you get all this stuff? > > --- On Sun, 5/30/10, James Noonan <jamesnoonan883@ ...> wrote: > > > From: James Noonan <jamesnoonan883@ ...> > Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku > Ikeda, SGI > To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 6:00 AM > > >  > > > > > Hi Greg >           I dont know why you would want to read anything by > Ikeda, the man is a THUG. Him and some of his mates in the SGI battered a > Priest who was in his 60s because he disagreed with their views. This > happened way back in the days, 40s or 50s. If you search the net you will > find the correct information as I did. This is the founding ethos of the SGI. > To say its a bit militant is an understatement. Ikeda has only one aim in > life and that is purely political. He has been called parliment in Japan four > times to explain his political motavition and he did not show up. The last > time he was supposed to go to the Parliment he legged it to Limbini in Napal, > this is where Shakyamuni Buddah was born. Maybe next time he's there he might > sample a bit of the local weed as Shakyamuni did it might give him a little > glimse of what enlightment is about. Ikeda is so far up his own ass I doubt > if he can even see the light of day. > > > > > > > > From: greghyo <greg...@yahoo. com> > To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Sat, 29 May, 2010 9:41:34 > Subject: [GohonzonForum] [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku > Ikeda, SGI > >  > > Has anyone seen this? [The Bible of Shakubuku] supervised by Taisaku Ikeda, > SGI > > Is there a copy I can get. Soft or hard copy is good. > > I would eally like to read this if it actually exists. >
