I think the hostility stems from the fact that there are two very distinct camps (sort of mirrors the current political world). There are those that think the current Go way is fine, and no need to fix it. There are others that think it needs to be radically overhauled (and that ‘try’ doesn’t go far enough) - so neither camp is happy, and maybe both feel that the change is an appeasement and maybe ‘change for change sake’/marketability, and that’s bound to make both sides (with strong beliefs as you state) kind of frustrated and maybe angry.
People don’t like change, and they don’t like compromise while it is happening, but they often realize it was the best course of action at a later date. Although I agree with you that the subject is easy to grasp, I don’t think that necessarily makes the solution easy. What is “best” heavily depends on the use-case, and with a general purpose language, you end up with conflicting “bests”. Which is why I’ve argued for quite a while that for Go to truly succeed, it needs to define what it is primarily used for, and then the language constructs and facilities can align. A lot of the complaints around Java is that it has become so large (and complex) - and the reason being it tries to be all things to all people. Often the hardest thing to do when designing software is to know what to leave out, and I think the Go elders have done a admirable job here. It is the community, mainly the developers that have invested time/effort in learning & championing Go, that want to expand its area of influence (and complexity) - not coincidentally increasing their value at the same time. > On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:28 PM, diogoid7...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 1:44:01 AM UTC+1, Tyler Compton wrote: > ... I was surprised to see how poorly the discussion has gone. There are > quite a few "me too" comments, a few image-only posts, some less than stellar > personal conduct, and overall not a lot of nuanced discussion. I feel that > perhaps these kinds of anti-proposals should be discouraged because they're > inherently reactionary, which seems to get the discussion off on the wrong > foot. > > I agree with you. Maybe that's not what the author intended, but to me that > anti-proposal feels like a giant middle finger to everyone - myself included > - who feels unhappy with the current state of Go error handling. I think the > quality of that discussion really just reflects its non-constructive nature. > > At risk of stating the obvious, I think we're being badly bitten by the > bikeshed effect here; the subject under discussion is relatively easy to > grasp, and so we get a litany of both counter-proposals (which has even > happened before - see proposal: Go 2: simplify error handling with || err > suffix <https://github.com/golang/go/issues/21161>) and zealously-held > opinions. > > I also must say that I feel dismayed by how negative the tone of the > conversation around the `try` proposal has been. I would certainly not expect > everyone to like it as much as I do, but some people seem frightened or > affronted by it far beyond what I'd consider reasonable. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "golang-nuts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/7573beb9-9c85-461d-9c3d-96b73b891c8b%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/7573beb9-9c85-461d-9c3d-96b73b891c8b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/A1D496D5-C302-405F-A050-897EBF4D4305%40ix.netcom.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
