I find your response disrespectful. You are completely ignoring (in the sense of "refusing to take notice of") what I wrote. I don't think it is possible to have a productive conversation as long as you behave this way.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:48 PM Space A. <reexist...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's exactly what I'm saying, topic of dropping generics was never > raised, so landing of some version of generics was implied by the process. > In fact just a start of that process implied that dropping them entirely > was never a question. There was no public discussion with that regard, no > poll or anything. > > > > четверг, 18 марта 2021 г. в 15:42:44 UTC+3, axel.wa...@googlemail.com: > >> ISTM that we already provided a bunch of evidence, which you are >> rejecting. so "any evidence" clearly is not good enough and you should be a >> bit more specific. >> >> Just to name a few specific examples of evidence provided: >> • The FAQ, as well as any interview of the question, have stated clearly >> that generics *may* be added, if a satisfying design is found. "May", not >> "will". >> • The proposal process >> <https://github.com/golang/proposal#the-proposal-process> clearly >> mentions the option to reject a proposal. >> • This push for including generics started simultaneously, using the >> same process <https://blog.golang.org/go2draft>, as both the "Error >> handling" and the "Error values" designs. "Error values" was accepted and >> "Error handling" was rejected as results of that process, so rejection was >> clearly a possible outcome. >> • Since then, there have been numerous blog posts, threads on this >> mailing list, talks at conferences and appearances on podcasts by the Go >> team. All of them mention the possibility that generics might not happen. >> All threads (that I'm aware of) publicly discussing generics discuss the >> option not to include them at all at least once. >> >> I really don't think it's too much to ask, what level of evidence you are >> actually looking for. I also strongly feel that the case made by us is >> stronger than the case made that there was no discussion about giving up on >> generics. The latter seems - as far as I can tell - mainly rely on a) >> interpreting statements by members of the Go team in ways incompatible with >> the actual words being said and b) speculating about the management process >> at Google - without any evidence to base this speculation on. >> >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:11 PM Space A. <reexi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > What kind of proof would you find to be acceptable? Can you give an >>> example of something that I could say that you would consider to be a >>> good answer to that question? Thanks. >>> >>> Ian, seriously. ANY evidence please, which you think "proves" that there >>> was an open and public discussion on dropping generics from your daily >>> agenda and focusing and spending time on more important things, such as >>> first class Android support. >>> >>> ср, 17 мар. 2021 г. в 22:44, Ian Lance Taylor <ia...@golang.org>: >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 4:28 AM Space A. <reexi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Can you provide any proof that there was an open public discussion? >>>> >>>> What kind of proof would you find to be acceptable? Can you give an >>>> example of something that I could say that you would consider to be a >>>> good answer to that question? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> >>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "golang-nuts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/1624a7bf-1418-4a24-9e11-5ba8c76852b3n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/1624a7bf-1418-4a24-9e11-5ba8c76852b3n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CAEkBMfGYysAwJ59wqWwb4eC4_Th8Kzsbo_G1jm1nE_aYnDWFRw%40mail.gmail.com.
