Would it make a difference to trim the jar files? I've noted that twig
has a dependency on google collections, a jar file measuring 500k. It
is possible to reduce that jar file and only include the needed
classes. I guess it could be done for the rest of the jar files too.

On 20 Apr, 05:13, Blake Caldwell <blakecaldw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess it is what it is. I don't consider myself lucky though,
> because I spent three weeks migrating from JDO :). Yeah, Spring is
> great and all, and would work just fine on a huge site on App Engine,
> but the documentation should be clear about how much time should be
> expected for each of the common frameworks out there. That would leave
> a lot fewer "OMGWTFBBQ!!!" responses from developers that sack
> weeks/months of their time into their projects.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Jeff Schnitzer <j...@infohazard.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > 3-4s is pretty close to "as good as it gets" to start a JVM, load your
> > app, and begin serving pages.  I've seen 2s load times but 3-4s is
> > pretty typical.
>
> > Consider yourself lucky!  The poor souls running Spring apps usually
> > wait 15s+ for cold starts...
>
> > Jeff
>
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Blake <blakecaldw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I switched from JDO to twig-persist to save load time, and it seemed
> >> to help a bit, but I'm still seeing 3-4 second load times on servlet
> >> calls that don't even touch the datastore.  Wow.
>
> >> Of course, after the JVM loads, it's super-fast... but that first hit
> >> after a few minutes of inactivity - wow... not good.
>
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