I'm curious what specifically he objects to. I can see some terms which might annoy some people. The DMCA-like copyright provisions (Google can delete anything it considers non-compliant), the minimum age, the billing clause that seems to suggest Google will charge *all* users for over-quota use (even though it's Google's responsibility not to grant over-quota to those who haven't opted-in to billing, and to not charge more than the user's chosen monthly maximum), etc. On the other hand, I understand that due to Google's own legal liability it has little choice. (A court could consider YouTube content and App Engine content to be the same thing, and judge them together.)
So it's worth discussing whether any particular provision is onerous. But it's not worth discussing a blanket condemnation of the entire TOS without specifics. That's like when SCO accused Linux of copyright infringement without saying which particular lines of code were infringing. The OP does have a point though, that the inability to delete applications, besides being annoying and tying up application IDs needlessly, also provides no way to opt out of TOS changes. Although it doesn't seem too onerous to accept the change, extract your data, and then disable the application (by making app.yaml point to a nonexistent file, as Google suggests). And write Google (not this list) a big note about why you're yanking your application. --Mike On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Steve Robillard <steverobill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > At the risk of continuing this conversation. I fail to see how this is a > problem, or different from any other application. It is my understanding > that GAE dos not allow deleting apps. So even if you were able to access the > admin console you still could not delete your apps. Second, how is this any > different than any other app (including a desktop app) when you opt not to > agree to the TOS you are not allowed to continue installation. Lastly, What > are you protecting by deleting. If this is motivated by intellectual > property or security considerations; you are locking the gate after the cow > has been let out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com > [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of KillIEbrowser > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:53 PM > To: Google App Engine > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Why can I pay a beta service? (Where are the > ads?) > > > Hi Paul, > the problem is the agreement process: > > Why can I not choose the [Cancel] option and delete my apps? > > > On Mar 1, 3:03 pm, Paul Kinlan <paul.kin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I still don't get your opposition to the agreement? You still have >> your free quota similar to now and you only pay if you want to get >> more "quota" >> >> Paul. >> >> On 1 Mar 2009, at 10:48, KillIEbrowser <davide.rogn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > The problem is: >> > why can I not choose [Cancel] because I do not want accept the "New >> > Terms of Service" and I can not switch the versions because I have >> > not the access to the Admin Console? >> >> > 1) I can not switch the versions >> >> > 2) because I can not see the admin console >> >> > 3) because I can not accept the "Accept New Terms of Service" (I do >> >not want) http://appengine.google.com/start/newtos >> >> > I think this is a bug! >> >> > On Mar 1, 12:15 am, GregF <g.fawc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What exactly don't you like? I read through them, and they seem >> >> fair enough to me. >> >> >> On Mar 1, 1:30 am, KillIEbrowser <davide.rogn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Yes, sorry :-) >> >> >>> I'm looking for alternatives because I like Python but I don't >> >>> like the Google's "New Terms of Service" :-( >> -- Mike Orr <sluggos...@gmail.com> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
