I play appengine in China for fun, but I will not play it for bussiness. 2009/3/20 Andy Freeman <ana...@earthlink.net>
> > > Let's say Chinese need help from the world to deal with this Chinese > > problem, and especially from the only super power and flag bearer of > freedom > > and democracy. > > He didn't ask for help fixing China. He asked for a Google person to > wine and dine a Chinese govt official. He asked Google to do a better > job censoring the Chinese web. > > The vast majority of Chinese seem perfectly happy with the censors. > Until that changes.... > > > On Mar 19, 6:58 pm, Will <vocalster....@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > > Let me suggest that this is a Chinese problem that Chinese will have to > > > > solve. > > > > Let's say Chinese need help from the world to deal with this Chinese > > problem, and especially from the only super power and flag bearer of > freedom > > and democracy. If Google can go a step forward from 'do no evil' to stand > up > > against evil, I would like it much more. Don't forget it did give in and > > imposed self-censorship on the search results in China. > > > > Ever read the poem by Martin Niemoeller, 'first they came...' > > > > They came first for the Communists, > > and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. > > Then they came for the Jews, > > and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. > > Then they came for the trade unionists, > > and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. > > Then they came for the Catholics, > > and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. > > Then they came for me, > > and by that time no one was left to speak up. > > > > Can't help. > > > > Will > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Andy Freeman <ana...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > > > > > But what I'm suggesting is that they leverage their > > > > relationships on behalf of the GAE developer community in China to > try > > > > and help us out. > > > > > How do you know that they're not? > > > > > > Again, my real question for Google is: > > > > Is GAE ready to support mission critical applications in China? Or > > > > for that matter anywhere? I need an uptime gaurantee. > > > > > And I need a pony. > > > > > > Why does Google have blocking issues and Baidu doesn't? > > > > > I note that Google has interests other than China while Baidu doesn't. > > > > > Why aren't you dealing with the blockers? > > > > > > I know a lot of the blocking issues for Google are related to > > > > objectionable content that appears on Blogspot. It seems there are a > > > > few possible solutions: 1) Make sure that dynamic DNS never mixes IPs > > > > between Blogspot and GAE. 2) Be more self policing and make sure > > > > objectionable content is never allowed to appear to Chinese users. > > > > > The blockers know that blogspot is owned by Google. They can easily > > > decide to block other google services as "punishment" for Google not > > > shutting down blogspot. They can easily decide that google should be > > > punished for allowing objectionable content to be shown to anyone. > > > > > > I'm sure Google has experts on all of these issues and I'd love to > > > > hear their opinions! > > > > > Let me suggest that this is a Chinese problem that Chinese will have > > > to solve. > > > > > On Mar 18, 8:55 pm, John C <johnmcourt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Having a relationship with the Chinese govt does not imply that one > > > > >can always get what one wants from the Chinese govt. > > > > > > Absolutely true. But what I'm suggesting is that they leverage their > > > > relationships on behalf of the GAE developer community in China to > try > > > > and help us out. A lot of times in China its the only and best way > to > > > > grease the wheels. I've looked through the threads and this isn't the > > > > first time this issue has come up. > > > > > > Again, my real question for Google is: > > > > Is GAE ready to support mission critical applications in China? Or > > > > for that matter anywhere? I need an uptime gaurantee. > > > > > > As much as I love Google, if Baidu offered a comparable cloud > > > > computing service, I'd probably use it instead, simply because I've > > > > never once had an issue accessing Baidu.com. Why does Google have > > > > blocking issues and Baidu doesn't? > > > > > > I know a lot of the blocking issues for Google are related to > > > > objectionable content that appears on Blogspot. It seems there are a > > > > few possible solutions: 1) Make sure that dynamic DNS never mixes IPs > > > > between Blogspot and GAE. 2) Be more self policing and make sure > > > > objectionable content is never allowed to appear to Chinese users. > > > > There's no bigger advocate for free speech than me, but here you play > > > > by the rules or don't play at all, and its pretty much that simple. > > > > So the solution might be techincal, and it might be political, but > > > > whatever it is there needs to be one. > > > > > > I'm sure Google has experts on all of these issues and I'd love to > > > > hear their opinions!- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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