Hi Brandon,
That's what I thought you were saying, but I don't think it's an
issue. For example, I have matt...@mydomain.com set up in Google Apps
and I use that for some other Google services too as a managed
account. My wife uses f...@mydomain.com as a non-managed account
because I haven't set up her name as an account in Google Apps.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got something wrong here.
Thanks,
Mat.
On Sep 30, 8:45 am, "Brandon Wirtz" <drak...@digerat.com> wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> It has been a rough week, so my brain isn't functioning well, so likely I'm
> still not explaining well.
>
> GoogleHighSchool.com decides to deploy an attendance app at
> Attendance.GoogleHighSchool.com
>
> They don't use unified logins just TeacherName and a Password.
>
> Very Clean, doesn't care about OAuth, logins anything.
>
> But to deploy the app GoogleHighSchool.com has to be registered with Google
> Apps For Domains.
>
> Students who used their john...@googlehighschool.com email address to
> Register for Youtube, Picasa, Google+, Etc.
>
> When those Accounts login the next time they get the "You need to Migrate
> your Personal Account" thing that I got on my adwords 2 weeks ago.
>
> The School also now administers their Google Docs, their passwords, and a
> whole host of other things.
>
> The School that has gone out of its way to make sure that it doesn't have
> access to social media sites of students now could have. And whenever the
> student forgets their Youtube password, the request no longer goes to Google
> Support with an automated reset, it goes to the Apps For Domain Administer
> and they have to reset it. With 8500 email addresses, that could be a lot
> of support.
>
> The obvious solution is to run on AttendanceatGoogleHigh.com instead. But
> that is kind of counter intuitive.
>
> From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:02 AM
> To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains "getting in the way"
> stuff
>
> Hi Brandon,
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Brandon Wirtz <drak...@digerat.com> wrote:
>
> I may have explained poorly.
>
> It isn't that the App needs the logins, it's that all of the personal
> accounts become Managed accounts, Every one of the users would go through
> the "Migration" on their Google Voice, Google Plus, Picasa, etc.
>
> The worry of the school is that the pic of a 12 year old girl in her
> underwear posted to picasa goes from being "owned" by the personal account,
> to being owned by an organizational account.
>
> Also every time a user forgets their password, they go from doing support
> through Google, to support through the administrator. That's a lot of
> overhead on a bunch of students.
>
> This is not a big deal for me, the client isn't going to pay me enough that
> I care, but I though they raised some good points that I wanted to share.
>
> There's no need to migrate any accounts at all. Your app can accept signins
> from any Google account, not just those on an Apps domain.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
> From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:14 PM
> To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains "getting in the way"
> stuff
>
> Hi Brandon,
>
> What you describe isn't compatible with the current configuration. Simply
> set up Google Apps on the domain solely to associate the domain name with
> the App Engine app, and configure the app to accept logins from any Google
> Account. There's no need to create accounts for users of the app on the
> domain.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz <drak...@digerat.com> wrote:
>
> I ranted once before about the issues Apps For Domains created for my
> Adwords account with the unified login, but I have a new rant from a
> potential customer.
>
> They currently use exchange mail and Group policy objects. They don't want
> to be responsible, for these student accounts Documents, Messenger, Google+
> etc. They quite specifically want those to be personal accounts, so that
> they don't have any potential liability for how students use those accounts.
>
> In my view this makes for a pretty good case of why not to require GAE to be
> tied to Apps For Domains. Not just in my app, but in any org that would
> decide the wanted an app on their domain but the email addresses they
> provide are not employees, or there are so many of them they wouldn't want
> to administer them through AFD (which is not designed for administering 100k
> people.
>
> I know BestBuy and some other large Orgs are on GAE, are they using
> AppsForDomains? Are they running on their primary domain?
>
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