Hey folks, a PM on App Engine here. The Python 3 question has been top of mind for us - since it's clearly the future for Python development, and has recently reached a tipping point in terms of usage. We're not sure at this stage if the best way forward is with Managed VMs or regular App Engine, and we have a few experiments in flight right now to figure that out.
What I'm hearing on this thread though is that whatever the Python 3 solution is, it needs to be a lot simpler and less cumbersome than the Managed VMs experience today, and we agree. We have some parallel work in flight to dramatically simplify the working with Managed VMs (especially around the toolchain) and managing applications that we hope to be able to talk more about soon. I'd also second Jeff's point above about filing bugs on the usability of Managed VMs (or even better, star a bug that already exists - generally a highly starred bug will get worked on quicker than lots of bugs about the same issue with only a few stars). On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jeff Schnitzer <j...@infohazard.org> wrote: > I agree with all of you - the Managed VM experience kinda sucks right now > compared to what we're used to. Google will have an easier time making it > better if we file bugs against it the usability issues. > > Jeff > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Karl MacMillan <k...@rakkoon.com> wrote: > >> >> On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:51 AM, troberti <tij...@firigames.com> wrote: >> >> Exactly. Managed VMs are great for some applications, but not a >> replacement for the managed runtimes. The idea of App Engine is simplicity >> & zero-configuration (or at least as close to it as possible). Instead, >> Managed VMs seem to throw a lot of that back on the user's lap. I don't >> want to 'dockerize' my apps and start managing my own runtimes. >> >> >> I completely agree. I’ve seen many comments suggesting that managed VMs >> are a viable alternative to traditional GAE, but this is not the case at >> all for me. The docker tooling on OS X (my dev environment) is pretty >> awful, the same set of services aren’t available in App Engine and Managed >> VMs, and basically I want the zero config of App Engine. >> >> This isn’t a lack of knowledge - I have a lot of experience managing >> servers - it’s that I’ve got other more important things to do with my time. >> >> The Python 2 to 3 transitions is great example where a public roadmap >> would be very useful. They could state they'll have a Python 3 runtime >> ready in 2017 and then have a 3 year transition period and stop the Python >> 2 runtime in 2020. >> >> >> +1 >> >> Karl >> >> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 1:18:48 PM UTC+2, Jay Kyburz wrote: >>> >>> A port to a managed VM is a whole nother kettle of fish. If I do that >>> I'm managing my own servers and might as well move anywhere. >>> >>> The simple fact is that 2.7 is on the way out, and if I want to continue >>> to work in Python, I need a 5 year plan that has me port my applications to >>> Python 3. >>> >>> My question to Google is, will I be working on App Engine, or do I have >>> to go find another solution. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:19:54 UTC+10, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: >>>> >>>> You can run Python3 already with Managed VMs, although the experience >>>> today does not compare favorably to traditional GAE. I suspect the best >>>> course of action is to file usability bugs against managed VMs until they >>>> work as well or better than what you're used to. More specific is better. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Jay Kyburz <j...@jaykyburz.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Googlers, >>>>> >>>>> There is an interesting discussion today on Hacker News about how >>>>> Debian has started moving from P2 to P3 because of the looming EOL >>>>> deadline >>>>> in 2020. >>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9388502 >>>>> >>>>> Does anybody know if there are plans in the works to provide a Python >>>>> 3 implementation of App Engine I can port my apps to sometime in the next >>>>> 5 >>>>> years. I've been searching around but can find nothing. >>>>> >>>>> 5 years may sound like a long time to many of you, but the last 5 >>>>> years of using App Engine have seemed to fly by for me. >>>>> >>>>> I have a lot of code to port and it might be a biggish job. >>>>> >>>>> If Google is looking for more staff to handle the port I would be >>>>> happy to contribute. >>>>> >>>>> Jay. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/a336be6a-f0e3-487f-aa4c-36dd8c1117c5%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/a336be6a-f0e3-487f-aa4c-36dd8c1117c5%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google App Engine" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/8c465186-d499-4df2-abf4-2551e16060eb%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/8c465186-d499-4df2-abf4-2551e16060eb%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google App Engine" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/BCB5BEF3-E37F-4196-A979-9AB066CE1029%40rakkoon.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/BCB5BEF3-E37F-4196-A979-9AB066CE1029%40rakkoon.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CADK-0uiPia5W_H_veOCpUvw9N9heuOeT4BX0hjn%2B9XY3iFsP2g%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CADK-0uiPia5W_H_veOCpUvw9N9heuOeT4BX0hjn%2B9XY3iFsP2g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google Cloud Platform | jes...@google.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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