On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Alexander
Cherednichenko<lex...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not expert, though i have some recommendations.
>
> 1. Don't even try to generate _really_ different content for searchbot
> and for the end-user. Sometimes googles sends request with 'normal'
> user-agent, and if you have different content for users and bots,
> you'll be banned (because of cloacking :) )
> Though, there are some ways to do so,
> Though, not sure /me has enough time to work with google customer
> support to clear this issue (if they have customer support, have never
> heard of it:) )
>
> 2. You may try create normal static application with unique URS, and
> just wrap some page elements with javascript to provide rich
> functionality. UIBinder is of new stuff.
>
> 3. You may try searhcing here (in this group) for such problems.
> People resolve it in different ways. I've heard of interesting way -
> generating html content by HTMLUnit and feeding it to the bot. Simply
> - if your application sees it is a bot, it runs gwt (javascript) code
> in headless browser on the serverside, and flushes momental DOM
> snapshot to the response.
>
> 4. Look here - 
> http://lexaux.blogspot.com/2009/03/afraid-of-being-banned-by-google-for.html
> I was going to make a little demo some time ago, but had no time to
> complete it :( sorry. Though, there may still be some interesting
> facts.
@all: thanks for the ideas.

htmlunit is a really cool idea. however, i am not sure if it will fail
with adsense and related concepts. so my solution is roughly like
this:
- generate regular html output
- enrich / regroup html output via gwt

so - there is no double content (i hope at least). google is happy,
because parsing my page is really simple. and the user is happy -
because he can use nice web 2.0 goodies.

ok. this breaks some things of the gwt (i was hoping that i can forget
almost everything about html and css and cross browser compatability
issues), but it works.


btw. in my opinion, google should run a 1sec htmlunit against my
webpage, not me. but - ok takes way more CPU and the result is not
predictable (what is this funny js generating? so somehow i can
understand google. however - that puts gwt applications in the same
bucket as flash applications - a bucket called "not properly indexed
by google".



thanks again,

r


>
> On Sep 7, 12:04 pm, Raphael André Bauer
> <raphael.andre.ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hey everybody,
>>
>> as every friendly web inhabitant i want that google knows my website
>> and people that are interested in my stuff can find it easily.
>> however, as my first experiments suggest the google bot does not even
>> try to analyze (execute) gwt code (a working test of my concept is at
>> [1]).
>>
>> this can -- on the one hand -- be explained by the very nature of gwt
>> - it is javascript - much like an application that should not be
>> indexed by a search bot by nature. but -- on the other hand -- hey! it
>> is so simple. execute the js, see if it generates a more or less
>> stable DOM, parse the dom and you are done. and both is from google?
>> seems that the GWT hits the same indexing hell flash did.
>>
>> ok. maybe i am wrong here. in my opinion it is really bad news that
>> GWT stuff is not at all analyzed by the google search bot.
>>
>> to come up with a conclusion would involve to sacrifice a lot of GWT
>> coolness. mainly because i have to generate a lot of HTML myself that
>> can be analyzed by search robots. i also wrote about that at [2]. it
>> is especially interesting how [3] did "solve" the "problem".
>>
>> do the experts have any recommendations?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> ra!
>> [1]http://scisurfer.com/news
>> [2]http://blog.scisurfer.com/2009/09/gwt-and-seo-concerns.html
>> [3]http://examples.roughian.com
> >
>

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