The university won’t let me lag that long. But I never upgrade when a major version just comes out.
Most people will want Rosetta for a little while at least. That will change with time of course But I’m concerned that there might be compiling problems. Michael Barton School of Human Evolution &Social Change School of Complex Adaptive System Science Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Arizona State University ...Sent from my iPad > On Sep 25, 2023, at 5:44 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I think that would be wise. > > Personally I am very careful to update OS in general, just jumped to 13 from > 12 the other day. Lagging about one year. > > >> On 25 Sep 2023, at 14:38, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >> >> Does this mean I should hole off upgrading to Sonoma for a bit? >> >> Michael Barton >> School of Human Evolution &Social Change >> School of Complex Adaptive System Science >> Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >> Arizona State University >> >> ...Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Sep 25, 2023, at 4:12 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 12:30, Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Niklas, >>>> >>>> >>>> thank you on the committed exploration of this issue, also independently >>>> verifying my own findings. >>>> >>> >>> I’m afraid this is a problem that will be a major issue in the time to >>> come, that we will have to deal with. Thank you for reporting! >>> >>> >>>> From a layperson perspective it does seem reasonable to me that macOS >>>> wanted apps to initialize through a conventionally made and signed binary, >>>> and would appreciate if your team would consider that. I hope Apple would >>>> offer free signing certificates, or even developer program memberships for >>>> open source projects. >>>> >>> >>> It will be difficult to make a “conventionally made” Mac application of >>> GRASS, but a "fully working as expected" and signed one is possible. We are >>> fully aware that the present solution isn’t optimal, but it has worked. So >>> far. Now, apparently we will have to invest the time and sweat for making >>> it right. >>> >>> >>>> By chance, did you check whether FreeCAD, the second app I encountered >>>> with an ARM release that caused the Rosetta dialog, has the same problem? >>>> >>> >>> Running `/Applications/FreeCAD.app/Contents/MacOS/FreeCAD` from Terminal >>> does work as well, so there is the same problem behind I guess. FreeCAD is >>> however code signed (so that’s not issue causing the Rosetta problem). >>> >>> >>> Nicklas >>> >>> >>> >>>> Their team never replied to my inquiry on X, but perhaps we could help get >>>> them started to fix this too. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Gregor >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 2023-09-25, at 11:59 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Gregor, >>>>> >>>>> I now had the opportunity to test on macOS 14 RC and I can confirm this >>>>> issue. The problem seems related somehow to being initialised by a script. >>>>> >>>>> I __did___ manage to start GRASS via Terminal: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Run `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` >>>>> >>>>> 2. System will complain… >>>>> >>>>> 3. Go to 'System Settings > Privacy & Security > Security' >>>>> >>>>> 4. In the settings I enabled GRASS to be allowed >>>>> >>>>> 5. From now on `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` will >>>>> work >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is only a workaround, I will look into how this can be solved >>>>> properly. Maybe we have to make a binary that does the job the script now >>>>> does (that used to be the case some time ago). We should also invest some >>>>> time in creating a code signed app as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nicklas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 Sep 2023, at 11:01, Nicklas Larsson via grass-dev >>>>>> <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gregor, thanks very much for the info! At least it ruled some things >>>>>> out, but I have still no idea what is causing this and it’s very >>>>>> difficult do the needed poking around without a similar setup (macOS 14 >>>>>> without Rosetta installed). I’ll have to ponder on this, if this really >>>>>> is caused by some change by macOS 14, a solution must be found sooner >>>>>> rather than later. >>>>>> >>>>>> An alternative way to install GRASS with native architecture for ARM is >>>>>> with MacPorts [1]. It does, however, involve some Terminal-batics! If >>>>>> you are in need for other GIS software like QGIS in particular, MacPorts >>>>>> is currently, in my experience, a most solid solution with available >>>>>> GRASS plugin (as there is no native official QGIS.app bundle for ARM). >>>>>> >>>>>> To be continued… >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nicklas >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Compiling_on_macOS_using_MacPorts__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7CtEnL2MQ$ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Sep 2023, at 16:47, Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Niklas, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> please find my answers below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `file /usr/bin/osascript` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> evidently still a universal binary, see this screenshot >>>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.13.56?PM.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `osascript -i` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> worked with no noticeable issues >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> produced the unverified developer warning as expected. Logically I >>>>>>> could and should probably override this, but with 10 years since my >>>>>>> last time coding, and having never learned the basics of UNIX, I would >>>>>>> prefer to follow the strictest Apple security guidelines, or sometimes >>>>>>> perhaps theater, when possible. >>>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.21.07?PM.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `sw_vers -productVersion` >>>>>>> 14.0 >>>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.33.25?PM.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> file /usr/bin/sw_vers >>>>>>> universal binary >>>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.31.23?PM.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-20, at 9:52 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Browsing the content of both GRASS.app and the FreeCAD.app, they seem >>>>>>>> correctly to have been built for arm machines. Both are based on conda >>>>>>>> dependencies and both are initiated by shell script. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The shell script initialising GRASS involves the use of >>>>>>>> '/usr/bin/osascript', which on macOS 12 is a universal binary. Perhaps >>>>>>>> something did change with this command, please test the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `file /usr/bin/osascript` >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `osascript -i` >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (which should enter interactive mode, you may exit with Ctrl-C). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could also try start GRASS manually from Terminal: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (That step may, however, be prevented because of the app being >>>>>>>> unsigned). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For control, the FreeCAD shell script contains the following command: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `sw_vers -productVersion` >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could you try that? ’sw_vers' is also a universal binary on macOS 12. >>>>>>>> What will the following give: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `file /usr/bin/sw_vers` >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Nicklas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2023, at 20:54, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been corresponding with this GRASS user about how the software >>>>>>>>> works with the new Apple ARM processors. Nicklas and I have compiled >>>>>>>>> GRASS for ARM processors successfully. These are posted on the GRASS >>>>>>>>> for Mac site >>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cmbarton.github.io/grass-mac/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7Cxb64tyQ$ >>>>>>>>> ). When Gregor tries to launch GRASS under the new MacOS 14 (Sonoma) >>>>>>>>> he gets a notice that Rosetta (Intel processor emulator) is needed. >>>>>>>>> They launch on my ARM MacBook Pro with no notice, but I am not using >>>>>>>>> Sonoma yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions about what might be triggering this >>>>>>>>> notice at launch time? AFAIK, initialization only calls the following: >>>>>>>>> 1. shell launch script >>>>>>>>> 2. wxPython >>>>>>>>> 3. Python >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there any other module or dependency that gets called at initial >>>>>>>>> launch (no maps displayed)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: GRASS GIS for Apple Silicon Macs >>>>>>>>>> Date: September 18, 2023 at 11:34:02 AM MST >>>>>>>>>> To: Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I suspect we have had another miscommunication. >>>>>>>>>> Let me list the specific steps that lead to the Rosetta prompt: >>>>>>>>>> - Download GRASS 8.3.0 Apple ARM or GRASS 8.4dev from your webpage >>>>>>>>>> - mount either downloaded Diskimage >>>>>>>>>> - copy the GRASS application file from the mounted DMG to the >>>>>>>>>> Applications folder >>>>>>>>>> - double click and launch the GRASS application >>>>>>>>>> - macOS shows a prompt to install Rosetta to continue >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously the prompt only appears when actually launching GRASS, the >>>>>>>>>> launch just never progresses past it, and no console or GUI can >>>>>>>>>> appear. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To my eyes the OS behavior seems credible in this case, though I >>>>>>>>>> obviously have no insights beyond the regular UI level. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could you send me an email contact to the GRASS dev list. I frankly >>>>>>>>>> never understood how these lists work, I assume some kind of e-mail >>>>>>>>>> chain, but I noticed no actual e-mail addresses on the main GRASS >>>>>>>>>> webpage, only on your Mac distribution site. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 8:20 PM, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I lean toward this being a bug in the beta at the moment. The >>>>>>>>>>> reason is that installing GRASS should not raise a Rosetta request, >>>>>>>>>>> at least until you run GRASS. This is because GRASS is organized as >>>>>>>>>>> a set of independent modules, overlayed with an optional GUI. >>>>>>>>>>> Running GRASS invokes a shell script (that should not require >>>>>>>>>>> Rosestta, since it launches an ARM terminal) and than the GUI in >>>>>>>>>>> Python 3 and wxPython. But these should also be ARM compatible. It >>>>>>>>>>> is possible that one or more of the >300 individual modules or >>>>>>>>>>> dependencies require Rosetta. But these should not call Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>> until they are launched. Also, they are mostly in C and Python, >>>>>>>>>>> with some C++ code--all of which was compiled under ARM tools. You >>>>>>>>>>> might post this question to the GRASS dev list. It is hard to say >>>>>>>>>>> what is causing this message to appear in your beta when nothing is >>>>>>>>>>> launched. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Understood! >>>>>>>>>>>> If possible, and if you deem it worth it, I would kindly ask you >>>>>>>>>>>> to eventually address this presumed issue. >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Silicon Mac users like myself will probably avoid to install >>>>>>>>>>>> the Rosetta framework also in the future, as more and more apps >>>>>>>>>>>> get native releases. >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, as you offer your work voluntarily and for free, I have >>>>>>>>>>>> no way to make demands, I simply submit the suggestion for your >>>>>>>>>>>> consideration. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore I would truly hope for someone to develop a >>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight iPadOS map authoring app in the future, as foremost >>>>>>>>>>>> the interface, paired with Apple Pencil, just fits graphics and >>>>>>>>>>>> geometry oriented work very naturally, and I personally see the >>>>>>>>>>>> entire system architecture as much more pleasant and intuitive. >>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly I would really hope that land survey work can escape the >>>>>>>>>>>> ruthless grip of proprietary software platforms like the Autodesk >>>>>>>>>>>> apps. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 4:19 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the information. This is helpful. It is possible >>>>>>>>>>>>> that a dependency somewhere in the app needs Rosetta. However, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the app is compiled with the ARM SDK and an ARM build environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 7:15 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use an M2 MacBook Air purchased from Apple.com, running Sonoma >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The machine shipped with Rosetta excluded from the macOS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation as standard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that reason launching any Intel app will show me a prompt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first download and install Rosetta, with a GB amount noted, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between 5-10 GB if I remember correctly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your GRASS Apple ARM binaries both show that same Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation prompt upon launch, with no other way to proceed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In comparison, most other Apple Silicon labelled app binaries I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried, eg. Solvespace, run with no Rosetta prompt and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement, as expected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, as mentioned before, a second Apple Silicon labelled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> app binary, FreeCAD, also causes the Rosetta prompt on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, making the possibility of a Sonoma Beta bug a bit more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple, AFAIK, have already reached the RC phase of the Beta >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period though, and I have encountered this issue with no other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apps than these two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found this article picturing the Rosetta 2 install prompt I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention, proving the veracity of my account, in addition to all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but confirming the suspected difficulty to remove it after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GH >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 3:28 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac ARM does not require Rosetta. I am using it on my MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro 2023 without Rosetta. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you mean by keeping your system free of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosetta or changes in your system installation. I'm running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacOS 13.5.1. AFAIK, there is no Mac OS installation option to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include or not include Rosetta. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS makes no changes to the OS. All dependencies are within >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the app. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no practical way to run GRASS since the Mac ARM version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires Rosetta. I want to keep my system free of Rosetta, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any irreversible changes it might make in my system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to run GRASS I would need an actual Apple Silicon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native binary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I read the question correctly this time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 3:13 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You misunderstand my question. Did you try to import a DWG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into GRASS? If so, what steps did you go through and what was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the output in the console? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIchael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 5:29 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hours of online research, this stackoverflow post mentioning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GDAL as at least one possible DWG GeoJSON bridge, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finding GRASS as one of the only actively maintained Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatible GIS tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find it puzzling that AutoDesk themselves offer almost no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export format choices for AutoCAD for Mac, see this support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article, and no JSON export for somewhat more capable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 2:16 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am asking how you are trying to import DWG files in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS? What steps dod you go through? You must have done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something in order to get the behavior you are asking about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 4:50 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no previous experience with GRASS, I can specify no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific modules. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I simply wanted to find an Apple Silicon compatible map >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authoring tool that allowed me to, import, view and edit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property line geometry from a DWG file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might have misjudged the feature scope of GRASS for that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to listing a release as “Apple ARM”, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to only contain fully ARM native code, and no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x86 architecture dependencies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really see no room for negotiation or interpretation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 1:27 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are up to date. The ARM apps are set up to not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require Rosetta for normal GRASS modules. However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether or not a piece of code will run natively with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Silicon depends on how that code was developed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its dependencies. I am compiling the normal GRASS source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code, however it is designed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You say that you "hoped for GRASS GIS to help me on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DWG to GeoJSON conversion and editing". Which GRASS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modules are you using for this? If it is a regular GRASS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> module, then the best bet is to contact the developer who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is maintaining that module or to post your question on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GRASS dev list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GRASS 8.3.0 Apple ARM, 23/6/24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GRASS 8.4dev Apple ARM, 23/8/14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both downloaded today from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmbarton.github.io/grass-mac/download . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both prompted for Rosetta during launch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U subsequently did encounter the same unexpected Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prompt from the Mac ARM version 0.21.1 of freecad , so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who knows whether macOS Sonoma does trigger some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unexpected incompatibility. Other third party Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silicon, ARM releases run just fine though, eg. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solvespace and everything published on the App Store of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-16, at 8:12 PM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you tell me which version you downloaded, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded it, and when it was compiled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 7:44 AM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prof. Barton, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for maintaining GRASS GIS bundles for, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed, the world’s best computers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no previous GIS experience, but have come to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look for a way of converting positioning data, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered to me in 3D DWG format from a land survey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignment, to IGES or STEP, and GeoJSON for further >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had hoped for GRASS GIS to help me on the DWG to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GeoJSON conversion and editing side, but your most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent listed stable and development Apple ARM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases have both asked for Rosetta ton run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May I ask you to help me understand why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do run the latest MacOS Sonoma Beta, I see no reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how or why this should affect Rosetta requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> grass-dev mailing list >>>>>> grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org >>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7AoFKuSDg$ >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ grass-dev mailing list grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev
