Dear Ahmed,
Can you say some names of 'good' leaders?
cheers,
appunni
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:23 AM, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> but why are we still afraid of realizing the 'fascist' elements of
> 'marxism' itself, which creates dictators like stalin, mao, castro,
> pinarayi, kim sung (sorry for the spelling), vs, budhadeb..
>
> isnt it the marxism itself by its logic of necessity rejects all
> social agents other than the 'economic class'? the same logic trying
> hard to incorporate all struggles of blacks, women, sexual minorities
> and dalits to create their own political subjectivity and public space
> into the axis of class struggle..
>
> at least, people at struggle in Chengara, nandigram, (may be in tibet)
> realize the real marxist opression.. china and chavez
> together...pinarayi and budhadeb..
>
> Ahmed
>
> On 4/24/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think we should read Pinarayi and VS before acquanitng ourselves with
> the
> > writings of Stalin and Lenin... bz communism in kerala means Pinarayi and
> V
> > S.... even marx comes after them only.
> > why? bz they r there to theorise the future of the toiling millions,
> > unfortunately!!
> >
> >
> > On 4/24/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I am fairly unread - illiterate , but why should I read Stalin? I
> strongly
> > am prejudiced that he was a fascixst dictator
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > First of all , you just collect that book and try to read. I
> > > > cheers
> > > > appunni
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > was wondering why stalin
> > > > > i believe he was a fascist
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok. I believe in scientic knowledge. So I am watching your
> wordings
> > too.
> > > > > > cheers,
> > > > > > appunni
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:37 PM, ahmed rafeek j
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > innocent thoughts....a complete knowledge will lead to the
> > absolute
> > > > > > > truth, a teacher can enlighten you for better unerstanding of
> pure
> > and
> > > > > > > flawless marxim....but potential to take shape of fascism at
> any
> > time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > truth is not somewher existing waiting for us to unfold.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > gone are the days of enlightenment.... 'truth' is created and
> > > > > > > constructed through our own discourses...discourses dictate our
> > > > > > > truths..that's why i became anti-communist and appunni became
> pure
> > > > > > > communist (with a bit less knowledge)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/23/08, JAYARAJAN. C.N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Marx , Mao are just like Bobby and Appunni. Ask yourself
> whether
> > god.
> > > > > > > > Universal truth? what is it?
> > > > > > > > I said that I am not expert in this field.
> > > > > > > > Because, I am telling all these things with partial
> knowledge,
> > with errors.
> > > > > > > > So I am not a teacher in this field.
> > > > > > > > As far as I know, communist history is full of rights and
> > wrongs. So Marx
> > > > > > > > may fail to analyse caste equation. Lenin may fail to
> analyise
> > about
> > > > > > > > democratic content of bolshevik party. Stalin may fail in
> > establishing
> > > > > > > > international communist front. Mao may fail in upkeeping
> > fraternity between
> > > > > > > > India and China.
> > > > > > > > Study from the faults and uphold the rights is to be part of
> > communists.
> > > > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > > > appunni
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Bobby Kunhu
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is Marx God?
> > > > > > > > > Did he percieve the caste equations in Colonial South Asia?
> > His
> > > > > > > > observations on that (what I have read seems ignorant).
> > > > > > > > > Then Mao - is there a universal truth in analysing
> hegemony?
> > > > > > > > > I am someone seeking questions
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dear bobby,
> > > > > > > > > > You are asking a simple question.
> > > > > > > > > > My simple answer: I am not an expert in
> > this subject.
> > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will suggest
> names
> > of few books.
> > > > > > > > > > cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > appunni
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Bobby Kunhu
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > simple question
> > > > > > > > > > > what is communism
> > > > > > > > > > > would like to be educated on that
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend,
> > > > > > > > > > > > You are asking so many questions
> > which both you
> > > > > > > > and me can not answer. More over, you are not expecting a
> reply
> > as those
> > > > > > > > questions are reserved with your answers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me repeat. CPI(M) does not
> > represent a
> > > > > > > > communist party. Every rightist forces know this well. So
> they
> > are utilising
> > > > > > > > this to attack communist parties.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Chengara struggle may be conducted
> > with or
> > > > > > > > without the leadership of a communist party. On the other
> hand,
> > a communist
> > > > > > > > party shall uphold the slogan ' land for tiller' and their
> new
> > democratic
> > > > > > > > revolutionary movements shall incorporate that slogan as its
> > main axis. This
> > > > > > > > should be the strategy of a communist party as the objective
> > condtions in
> > > > > > > > India like countries are accordingly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, a communist party
> should
> > support all
> > > > > > > > land struggles like 'Chengara' and should lead it if
> necessary.
> > > > > > > > > > > > cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > appunni
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:39 PM, ahmed rafeek j
> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > communist parties ?!!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > please advise why people at struggle in Chengara
> need
> > a communist
> > > > > > > > party.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody need to symbolize cpim as communist
> > party? what does
> > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a communist party really a communist party? what
> are
> > the signs of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'purity'? is there any single communist party which
> > doesnt say
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are the 'original'? why do we need to run
> after
> > each
> > > > > > > > communist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > party to test whether it is real or no? what kind
> of
> > great
> > > > > > > > revolution
> > > > > > > > > > > > > u r planning to do and in which century?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/08, JAYARAJAN. C.N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a usual tactics of rightist
> forces
> > and rightist
> > > > > > > > medias by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolising CPI(M) as a real communist party,
> > exposing that
> > > > > > > > party and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generalising that communist parties are like
> this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unfortunate that even many
> > progressive thinking
> > > > > > > > people are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also repeating the same blah blahs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM, ranju radha
> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oho...now it s clear comrade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it s to save the world from US imperialism that
> > those bloody
> > > > > > > > CPM cadres
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > raped and killed Dalits in Nandigram ..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and damn those women cadres of CPM, who asked
> > "what was that
> > > > > > > > dalit woman
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing in the field at 4am" (where else will she
> > shit? and what
> > > > > > > > were comrades
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing in the field? reading communist
> manifesto?!!)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a great revolutionary act comrades!!!!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/08, ahmed rafeek j
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel sorry for him...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but good that he broke his silence at least
> in
> > chintha. it
> > > > > > > > was a bit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspensful for me when i see many responses
> to
> > him and some
> > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested for his response on Chengara and
> some
> > threatened
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spaaaaaaaam mails.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but he just repeated what pinarayi n all said
> > proving that
> > > > > > > > all of them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are really 'red'. as k.k.koch rightly said,
> > communism is as
> > > > > > > > dangerous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as fascism to the indigenous people around
> the
> > world.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an article in Chinta weekly
> > GPramachandran (2008
> > > > > > > > April 18)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justifies CPIM's abti democratic
> standpoints/
> > actions on
> > > > > > > > Tibet,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandigram,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chengara and Arayamkudi. He alleges that
> there
> > are
> > > > > > > > 'objective'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidences for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America's interventions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Kerala.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandigram and chengara are being
> manipulated
> > by certain
> > > > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thwart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wider unity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formed aginst USimperialism,
> > globalisation,communalisation
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascism.(p.23)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nandigram and Kolkotta, certain forces
> are
> > 'depicting'
> > > > > > > > CPIM as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemy and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unleashing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attacks by siding with Congress, BJP,
> > Thrunamool, Maoists
> > > > > > > > and Islamic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentalists (pp24--25)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He concludes the article by stating that "
> we
> > should take
> > > > > > > > it seriously
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anti communists are able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create a group political hysteria around
> > nandigram issue."
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> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Bobby Kunhu
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