silence could be for multiple reasons. however, My silence on the issue of muslims shows/expose my ideological/political inclinations. I should accept that. Some people who proclaim to "represent" ALL cant digest it. They would like to see themselves as saviours of ALL. Silence becomes a "violent" weapon for them. silences are romantisized under the guise of democracy. though they have every right to remain silent, it exposes their ideological inclinations. one should be sincere enough to accept it.
On 5/2/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There have been some members here who have shown tendencies towards grand > revolutions.... But that apart, when it comes to issues of caste - let me > draw a parallel to feminism - silence most often regardless of the mens rea > needs to be constructed as violence for no other reason, but how embedded it > is within us. > > I am tempted to point out the anthropologist, Saul Zuratas in Mario > Vargas Llosa's *Storyteller, *his attitudes and assumptions, despite > which he cannot completely discard the epistemological baggage that made him > commit the first act of love viz. become a story teller amongst the > Machiguengas. The book beautifully explores the relationship between the > global, national and tribal societies and the themes of centre and > periphery. Whats interesting is that the same Llosa (once a grand admirer of > Castro), became a neo-liberal candidate for presidency in 1990s (he argues > his case fervently in *A fish in the water) *and now is reportedly > supporting the extreme right. While it does not change the stature or skills > of Llosa as a writer, but his positions on the same indegineous populations > become problematic and violent by his silence, which also acts as a complete > denial of these communities. (I deliberately picked this story from latin > america for distance sometimes provides clarity). The same way, silence on > caste by people who claim some politics can be constructed as problematic. > > *Caveat: *I am not suggesting that everyone should respond to all issues, > nor am I suggesting that everyone who remain silent are castiest - the > silence could be for multiple reasons. I am just trying to think aloud on > situations where silence could be violent > > > On 01/05/2008, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > *nor did i imagine that he was referring the vacuumized representation > > of marginalized people in history, which is clearly undebatable.* > > > > When we talk about this exclusion, it is not total... It is > > selective... Gujarat riots was covered, in length... Nandigram was > > covered... Even human rights violation in kashmir were covered > > selectively... But when an issue puts the total system in danger, it is > > excluded.... There is no conspiracy .. The exclusion happens without any > > deliberate exercise of power... > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > *I was mentioning about our cold response to this report... Did we > > > take it as a serious matter? I worry, we didn't * > > > > > > above line is aftab's. > > > when he said like OUR cold response and WE didnt take it serious, i > > > cudnt imagine that he was referring to the historians, media people, > > > intellectuals, cultural leaders etc. nor did i imagine that he was > > > referring the vacuumized representation of marginalized people in history, > > > which is clearly undebatable. > > > > > > instead it reminded me of some who alleged the 'brahmanic' silence on > > > the members of this group in regarding to certain 'dalit' related mails. > > > > > > does this group hold any compulsion of mandatory responses to all the > > > mails forwarded here? do we need to be 'hot' all the time? > > > r v selective in being silent and in cutting mails on certain topics > > > only? NO. what i felt is most of the members here respond impulsively with > > > no 'grand' revolutionary intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Silence" is definitely a democratic right, but a right that has to > > > > be exercised within the structural hegemony that constructs each one of > > > > our > > > > individual politics and places us within our respective identities (to > > > > be > > > > blunt - shows us our place as a dalit, adivasi, muslim, woman, gay, > > > > transgendered, disabled etc.), be it within media, academia, high > > > > culture or > > > > just folklore. For instance, my school history text-books or general > > > > discussions never included any account of the anti-brahmin movement or > > > > people like Jyothi Thass and this is the matriculation syllabus in a > > > > linguistically and culturally proud state like Tamil Nadu. Neither was > > > > the > > > > history of Kashmir an issue. In this regard "silence" becomes violence > > > > by > > > > virtue of being an act of ommission - deliberate or otherwise. > > > > In this group itself there has been outrage expressed by various > > > > members, for instance on the issue of selective silence on the part of > > > > certain members with respect to Chengara - wouldn't that silence > > > > tantamount > > > > to violence? I believe the same silence to be violence respect to caste > > > > and > > > > issues like Kashmir or North East that do not reflect too well on our > > > > "national" or "patriotic" ethos > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > when u writehistory of a region and remain silent on many aspects- > > > > movemnts, historical figures, culture of particular socail grp.-- and > > > > still > > > > want to escape quoting democratic right to be "silent", such politcal > > > > mimicry is highly condemnable. the civil society's concerns are clearly > > > > reflctd on these "silences".. so dont treat 'silence' as an innocent > > > > act... > > > > one may not be blamed but exposed by silences .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/1/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was mentioning about our cold response to this report... Did > > > > > > we take it as a serious matter? I worry, we didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:19 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > afthab, > > > > > > > u mean the report of mass grave at uri area in kashmir is > > > > > > > wrong? or the civil society responses and actions to it? > > > > > > > what is wrong if the reporting and the actions done in the > > > > > > > name of indian democracy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/1/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is quite odd... Why Kashmir is excluded from our > > > > > > > > consciousness? I would like to believe that this report is not > > > > > > > > true... But > > > > > > > > if it is, this is done in the name of Indian democracy, that we > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > responsible for... > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Anivar Aravind < > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > From: *Khurram Parvez* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASSOCIATION OF PARENTS OF DISAPPEARED PERSONS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Press Release_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / /*/28^th April 2008/* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly one month after we released a report of a > > > > > > > > > fact finding > > > > > > > > > mission on nameless graves and mass graves in Uri area > > > > > > > > > titled 'Facts > > > > > > > > > Under Ground' which evoked response from the media, human > > > > > > > > > rights groups, > > > > > > > > > politicians and political formations of various hues, > > > > > > > > > civil society and > > > > > > > > > people at large. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We want to utilize this occasion to > > > > > > > > > appreciate, thank and > > > > > > > > > criticize the concerned on their response; and to make > > > > > > > > > requests and > > > > > > > > > demands for fresh, comprehensive and sustained responses > > > > > > > > > from the stake > > > > > > > > > holders i.e. the local and international civil society and > > > > > > > > > HR Groups, > > > > > > > > > Political formations and resistance Groups, local and > > > > > > > > > international > > > > > > > > > media, lawyers' groups, international humanitarian > > > > > > > > > agencies and people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all we appreciate the local print media for the > > > > > > > > > coverage given > > > > > > > > > to the report. We urge for a sustained campaign of follow > > > > > > > > > up reporting > > > > > > > > > to build a more compelling case for urgent international > > > > > > > > > expert and > > > > > > > > > humanitarian intervention in order to initiate credible > > > > > > > > > measures to > > > > > > > > > establish the identity of those buried in these graves and > > > > > > > > > seek linkages > > > > > > > > > with the thousands subjected to Enforced Disappearance by > > > > > > > > > the state > > > > > > > > > security agencies in Kashmir from 1989 till date. The > > > > > > > > > families of the > > > > > > > > > disappeared have neither the resources nor the expertise > > > > > > > > > to carry out > > > > > > > > > either the job of comprehensive reporting or the task of > > > > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > exhumation and identification of those buried in these > > > > > > > > > nameless graves > > > > > > > > > and mass graves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have received more reports of the existence of mass > > > > > > > > > graves and > > > > > > > > > nameless graves, some of which has already been reported > > > > > > > > > by a section of > > > > > > > > > the local press. We expect people and the media to be more > > > > > > > > > proactive in > > > > > > > > > reporting about the existence of such graves with all the > > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > detail and local narratives about them. This will bring > > > > > > > > > their existence > > > > > > > > > into public knowledge and thereby help in safeguarding the > > > > > > > > > grave sites > > > > > > > > > from tampering. We request the people to take all steps > > > > > > > > > necessary to > > > > > > > > > safeguard these sites from any kind of interference till > > > > > > > > > such time as we > > > > > > > > > are able to garner the support and intervention of > > > > > > > > > internationally > > > > > > > > > credible expert and humanitarian bodies to undertake a > > > > > > > > > thorough exercise > > > > > > > > > of identifying these bodies. We believe some of those > > > > > > > > > subjected to > > > > > > > > > enforced disappearance are buried in these graves and the > > > > > > > > > process of > > > > > > > > > identification, that we are demanding, will provide some > > > > > > > > > relief to the > > > > > > > > > families whose kin have disappeared, will enable a decent > > > > > > > > > burial of the > > > > > > > > > victims and contribute to producing the necessary evidence > > > > > > > > > against the > > > > > > > > > perpetrators thus help in breaking the culture of impunity > > > > > > > > > enjoyed by > > > > > > > > > the state security agencies. It is the moral and > > > > > > > > > humanitarian duty of > > > > > > > > > the local people to do whatever is possible to safeguard > > > > > > > > > these sites and > > > > > > > > > the bounden duty of the local media persons to take extra > > > > > > > > > pains to > > > > > > > > > unearth these skeletons and ferret out the truth in all > > > > > > > > > its ugly detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We expect the local lawyer community to take up the issue > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > relevant forums, file PIL and undertake a legal campaign > > > > > > > > > to force the > > > > > > > > > Government and its security agencies to come out with > > > > > > > > > verifiable truth > > > > > > > > > and fix responsibility for these crimes as it is the > > > > > > > > > government and its > > > > > > > > > security agencies who are the ultimate repositories of > > > > > > > > > information about > > > > > > > > > these graves and also about those disappeared > > > > > > > > > involuntarily while in > > > > > > > > > their custody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We impress upon the local political formations > > > > > > > > > of all hues > > > > > > > > > to encourage people to provide more information about > > > > > > > > > these and other > > > > > > > > > grave sites and to take necessary measures to safeguard > > > > > > > > > these sites from > > > > > > > > > tampering or interference considering them as an extremely > > > > > > > > > sensitive and > > > > > > > > > a sacred trust with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We express our satisfaction at the issue of > > > > > > > > > comprehensive > > > > > > > > > statements by various humanitarian groups particularly the > > > > > > > > > Amnesty > > > > > > > > > International and the Asian Federation Against Involuntary > > > > > > > > > Disappearances (AFAD) demanding that India should > > > > > > > > > investigate all > > > > > > > > > allegations of enforced disappearances in Jammu & Kashmir > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > reports of mass graves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We expect the international humanitarian > > > > > > > > > bodies particularly > > > > > > > > > the Amnesty International and AFAD to initiate steps > > > > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > > > implementation of their demands by lobbying with the > > > > > > > > > relevant credible > > > > > > > > > international bodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also urge the ICRC, which is operating in > > > > > > > > > Kashmir to > > > > > > > > > volunteer their expertise on this issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We understand the callous attitude of the > > > > > > > > > state security > > > > > > > > > agencies in dismissing our findings as a result of their > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > involvement in these crimes as is borne out by the various > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > encounters and custodial killings documented and reported > > > > > > > > > extensively. > > > > > > > > > We believe that this callous and inhuman attitude of the > > > > > > > > > security > > > > > > > > > agencies springs from the culture of impunity produced as > > > > > > > > > a result of > > > > > > > > > the draconian laws operating in Jammu and Kashmir, which > > > > > > > > > do not allow > > > > > > > > > the families of the victims to pursue their cases > > > > > > > > > productively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe that this report should be a cause > > > > > > > > > of alarm for > > > > > > > > > those with a human heart and a concrete basis for the > > > > > > > > > international > > > > > > > > > expert groups and humanitarian and human rights bodies for > > > > > > > > > initiating an > > > > > > > > > urgent action to probe the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spokesperson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ghulam Nabi Mir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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