reforms will satisfy us with limited adjustments and interpretation will lead us to multiple narratives. the attempts to (re)claim new spaces in islam are not 'intellectual' as such. they are from the down. -- a group of hijaras from bhopal performed hajj this year with passionate/ spiritiual islamic urges -- a woman openly declared herself single mother (extra-marital) came to do hajj this time with her child-- --as aftab said, even in india muslim woman came forward to build mosque for women--
modern, etheist and secular fancies are no longer the toys for muslims who have unstoppable urge to pray. they have to redefine and reclaim new spaces in islam. On 5/6/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with you ... The phrasing of reform is a wrong way of > understanding the recent struggles in Islam for claiming space... > > 2) The works of Islamist theorists like Maududi and Said Qutub, the > ideological framework that led to formation of the Islamic state of Iran , > the Taliban regime etc, and recent armed political struggles in many > Islamic countries, the attempt is to define a structural alternative to > Western liberalism and Marxism... This is something common in the mainstream > Islamic thought... Islam is proposed as the solution to all the problems... > I don't think it is as easy to gain political power(I mean government > power), with evangelical Christianity or Hindu revivalism as with Islamism > > > > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:05 PM, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Dear Aftab, >> >> I have a deep suspicicon about the idea of 'reform' no matter whether it >> happens from within or outside. By phrasing the ongoing dilaogues, >> intercactions, struggles, stunts or fights or whatever as 'reform' is in >> effect borrowing the idea of 'reformation' of a primitive order as being >> popularized in several 'civilizing' discourses. (By Reform, as I understand, >> is an intentional act to liberalize a highly regulated order and this >> regulation is done based on several constituent principles). When u say >> 'reforms' u r also unknowingly accpeting the notions of 'moderate'& >> 'extermist' islam. I think all these are nothing new. >> >> 2) I really didn't understand what u intended by "traditional islam" is >> another "grand narrative". (Grand narrative as used in explaining "marxism") >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5/6/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Salim, >>> I think Traditional Islam is another grant narrative, placed against the >>> enlightment ideals that we have seen strengthening in the post marxist era >>> ... Islam that we know is deeply rooted in th Arab culture as well... The >>> very existence of the autocratic regimes in the Arab world (note the >>> existence of more democratic governments in non-arab Islamic countries) has >>> also to be problemized in this context... It is much more deeper than the >>> macro power structures...It is deeply embeded in the believe system... >>> Whether it is Saddam or Musharraf, the attempts made were to find solutions >>> from the modern/secularist ideals... When Musharaff tried to revoke some >>> provisions from the monstrous anti-blasphamy laws in 2004, there were big >>> resistence and he had to revoke them... >>> >>> There are some recent attempts to re-interpret Islam from other >>> prespectives(mini narratives0.. Obviously one of them is the feminist >>> reading... Works of Amina Wadud, Fatema Mernissi, Asra Nomani, Leila Ahmed >>> etc. are to name a few.. One of the important attempt in India was Daud >>> Sherifa's to build a women's only mosque in Tamil Nadu... The hate towards >>> homosexuality within Islam, is also getting problemized... >>> >>> I think the reforms will be coming from within... Any attempt to bring >>> another grant narrative to replace it will be disastrous... The increase in >>> violence both sectarian and that against women in post September 11 world, >>> is the evidence >>> >>> Regards >>> Afthab >>> >>> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:29 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> but.....damodar was questioning the idea of being 'modern' and 'secular' >>>> for being anti-imperialism. and he was to problemize the words modern and >>>> secular.. (i believe). >>>> >>>> that idea of anti-imperialism is as euro-centric as imperialsim. >>>> fancying of modern secular scientific grand universal marxist >>>> anti-imperialist movement is not 'really' anti-imperialist. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/6/08, Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Apparently not. That's why Ahmedinejad, the Hamas, Fidel Castro and >>>>> Hugo Chavez all become front runners in the 'anti-imperialistic' struggle. >>>>> After all, 'we were all Hezbollah' for a week or so, weren't we? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Murali >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM, damodar prasad < >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> dear salim, >>>>>> I really doubt whether anti-imperialism whether anti-imperialism is >>>>>> synonymous with secular and modern!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> damodar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they >>>>> don't want to hear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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