Kavitha, Could you please give more details about the provision in WRB providing quota for SC/ST women, which you keep mentioning in your mails? As per my knowledge about the bill, you must be talking about the provision where the 33 per cent reservation for women will be applicable to the constituencies which are reserved for SC/STs. Hence, this functions as a quota for women within quota for SCs/STs, without this provision having any implication for the 33 per cent seats reserved for women. (Correct me if I am wrong).
However, the question raised here (by the critiques of the Bill) is that WRB in its present form would function as simply a quota for women from dominant castes (just like parliament, without reservation for women, would be dominated by men). The fear expressed by Mulayam and Lalu is that they (lower castes, minorities) earned their seats after decades of struggle, and it is unacceptable for them to do away with 33 per cent of it in the name of womens reservation, unless their representation is ensured through proper provisions like quota within quota. I do not know why this is unjustified. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:22 AM, ranju radha <ranjura...@gmail.com> wrote: > @sukla > > "Everybody does that! hence, nothing wrong about it." > > what a great invention comrade. Okay that means since that old brahmin > marxist EMS was a filthy casteist mysogynist, u can also be so.!! Greeat > dialectical materialsm > > > And by the by, what on earth made to think that Dalit/OBC/Muslim/Adivasi > women has no voice at all? lol, this shows the true politics of these lovers > of WRB > damn dirty dude > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Sukla Sen <sukla....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Quote >> As if the male leaders in the parties like CPM and BJP have all of a >> sudden become non-patriarchal/ progressive/feminist and what not. >> Unquote >> >> What a leap of argument!? >> >> Anyway, the underlying argument is that the CPM/BJP male leaders are >> patriarchal, and hence it is quite kosher for the OBC/Muslim male leaders to >> be so. >> Forget about the fact that whatever be the reasons, and >> howsoever reluctantly and halfheartedly, the CPIM/BJP leaders >> are at least supporting 33% reservation for women. >> This is evidently a clear admission: Yes, it is a ploy, a dirty trick! So >> what! Everybody does that! hence, nothing wrong about it. >> >> And, let me repeat: >> Quote >> The "demand" for sub-quota, by no stretch, is a "demand". It's just an >> alibi. A pure and simple "alibi" to block women's reservation. >> First of all, the SC and ST will automatically have their quota (of >> reservation) within (women's) quota. to ask for it is a mere act of >> deception. >> There is no such reservation for OBCs or Muslims in state or central >> legislatures, so there will be none here either. Till some other amendments >> are made. >> >> These selfsame worthies, it is pertinent to note, had no problem with >> women's reservation in Panchayats. Because these are too insignificant from >> their point of view. >> Nor they are known to ever have raised any women's issues other than this. >> Unquote >> >> And: >> Quote >> The points here are as under: >> >> With great difficulties - for years, the Bill has just scraped through in >> the RS, after a day's of pandemonium on the following day >> after Marshalls having been deployed. >> Everyone understands, in order to kill, or at least stun, the Bill what >> one has to do is to ask for a version different from the one passed by the >> RS. >> That's precisely these opponents are doing. >> >> And their concerns for women are well-known. This is just crocodile tears. >> The example of the Muslim clerics referred to is just a telling >> illustration. So is the silence of the other opponents of the Bill on the >> ground of concern for (Muslim and OBC) women. >> Unquote >> >> Also: >> >> Quote >> How the passage of WRB is going to worsen their representation status? >> At least the Muslim/OBC women will stand a better chance to have a >> higher representation from within the women's quota. >> Dalits and STs would of course straightaway benefit. >> And once the women's quota is there, it opens up the scope for the next >> stage of the battle (for sub-quota). >> >> Evidently, this is a ploy of the OBC/Muslim males to suppress their women >> in their name! >> A dirty trick. And that's all. >> Unquote >> >> Sukla >> >> >> On 6 April 2010 13:14, damodar prasad <damodar.pra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> "is a ploy of the OBC/Muslim males to suppress their women in their >>> name!" >>> A dirty trick. And that's all"... What an astute observation, Mr. Sukla >>> Sen? >>> >>> As if the male leaders in the parties like CPM and BJP have all of a >>> sudden become non-patriarchal/ progressive/feminist and what not. >>> >>> "It is important to note that right from when it was first tabled in >>> 1996, the main opposition to reservation for women in the legislature has >>> always centred on the question of sub-quotas for Muslims and Other Backward >>> Classes (OBCs), or additional quotas for dalit women. In other words, >>> despite misleading media images, there has never been a simple opposition >>> between feminist support and patriarchal resistance. Vocal dissent has >>> always invoked the interests of the already disadvantaged castes and >>> communities – *it has never opposed women’s rights as such. Indeed, the >>> media’s eagerness to demonise backward caste and Muslim politicians opposing >>> the Bill serves to obscure the unspoken patriarchy that is at work behind >>> the scenes in every political party. *How else do we explain the low >>> presence of women candidates among political parties in favour of women’s >>> reservations in all the national and state elections after 1996? It is the >>> silent subversion of the ayes – and not the noisy disruption of the nays – >>> that is most responsible for the 14 years of exile endured by this Bill" >>> (EPW edit, March 13, 2010) >>> >>> Mr.Sukla Sen is also attempting the same media trick of demonizing >>> OBC/Muslim leaders.. ... Nevertheless, the media along with its kind of >>> supporters were able to sell this Cen-Trick to a upbeat upper caste middle >>> class who till now are opposed to caste-based reservation while being very >>> vocal about gender-justice!! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Green Youth Movement" group. >>> To post to this group, send an email to greenyo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> greenyouth+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<greenyouth%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Peace Is Doable >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Green Youth Movement" group. >> To post to this group, send an email to greenyo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> greenyouth+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<greenyouth%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB. >> > > > > -- > " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the depressed class > using a public tank not because they really believe that the water will be > thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are afraid of losing > their superiority of caste and of equality being established between the > former and the latter. 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