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Regards, Boris Maire Le 19 juin 2013 à 19:06, Élie Roux <[email protected]> a écrit : > Dear all, > > As promised, here are a few ideas on what would seem to me as a possible > development of Gregorio, now that a 2.3 bugfix version has been released. > > Recently, Mr Domblides contacted me about the possible integration of ancient > neumatic notation (St Galle and Laon), it looks like a very useful and > promising project, which raised a good motivation in some of you (and me > too!). > > I cc. here Mr Gatte, who is the maintainer of the impressive and very useful > websites > - http://gregorian-chant.ning.com > - > www.gregofacsimil.net/03-MANUSCRITS/INTERNET-ET-LES-MANUSCRITS/manuscrits_internet.html > > I know Sr Maria Ruth, in Italy, is also interested, among all for Hildegard > von Bingen manuscripts, and Fr Peron has also facsimiles that could be handy. > > Mr Domblides has more ideas of people to invite, but beforehand I think it > would be useful discuss it here... > > I have never moderated an online brainstorming, but let's try it now. > > The questions I'm asking you are the following: > - would that be useful to you? Practicing gregorian make me looking at ancient neumatic notation to get a better interpretation of melodies. I think people like "Association grégorienne de Nantes" could be interested for the annual weekend they organize. > - for what purpose? (please develop a little here) learning make paper more readable than the Triplex edit old books or going further in re-editing older books, like for the Dominican Rit. The gregorian notation is something very "modern" : at first, the gregorian was transmitted by singing only. Then, some text were written to be shared all Europe and the world. Then after came the first signs and after St Gaal, Laon and others. I think the first system with lines appears in the XVth century or something like that. And Episema were created by Solesmes during the XIXth century, the tristropha during the XXth century. This 2 creations (and some others) were made to translate in gregorian notation some specific old neumatic notation. I think that people who wants to improve the way they sing gregorian will need to access old neumatic notation. With a tool like Gregorio, it will be possible to edit some books to help learning this notation, some song books readable (in the triplex, one of the old notation is nearly on the latin text). > - how exactly would you wish the output of ancient notation in > Gregorio to be? Perhaps in first time, a tool to compile "gabc" (or "nabc") files independent of gregorian ones. Then after, an option in the \inputscore to place a neumatic notation above the gregorian one. > - what kind of notation would you use? Something like gabc If the question is about St Gall or Laon, I was thinking they were both similar and the differences are on the melody, aren't they ? > - would you be ready to help? > - would you have time this month for this? > - do you have ideas on how the user would input old neumes? (this is > one of the biggest challenges) a nabc file compiled to a tex file, like the gabc file then an \includescore or \includeneume for the tex file product from the nabc source. Or an option in \includescore : \include[neume.tex]{gregorio.tex} > - do you have the ability of designing a font? (another challenge!) > - do you have personal resources, like scans of manuscripts, that you > could share? Do you have the book of Maurice Tilly and his table with all the old neumes and gregorian signs and their correspondence ? > - how do you think we should proceed? > > My vision would be to engage discussions and start to have a few more precise > ideas, and then to contact more people to continue the discussion on more > solid bases and eventually ask for help. > > I personally don't know ancient notation very well (in fact I almost don't > know it), I'm currently documenting further to see the difficulty of the > design. > > Here is my vision: > - the first step (I'd say it's 60% of the work) is to make a precise > document, describing the project (why, who, how, etc.), and the basis of > ancient notation, with: > * first a list of the different neumes, as exhaustive as possible > * the way the neumes will be inputted by the user in gabc > * how it will look like in Gregorio > - the second step, once this document is done and agreed on, is to implement > it, by: > * designing the font(s?), based on the list of neumes > * implementing the extension to the gabc syntax > * implementing the TeX output > > About the method, I think it should be a (not too big) group of interested > people, working together on the same document, cooperating and communicating > fast. I can lead this group, but I will definitely need people knowing the > topic quite well in order to be able to understand it and do something good! > > Tell what you think about all this! > > I will have time until July 15th, then after September 1st, but not much > inbetween; if we have a precise document by September, I'll start > implementing at this period, this is not the part that frightens me most! > > Thank you, > -- > Elie > > P.S.: I won't be online until tomorrow morning. > > _______________________________________________ > Gregorio-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users _______________________________________________ Gregorio-users mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users
