That's pretty much it exactly. Tossing out a patch involves:
* Code review
* Regression testing
* Internal beta testing
* Documentation updates (including a change log and readme)
* Internationalization testing
* Internal database structure updates to support a new version
* Production updates for new CD manufacturing
* Web site updates to reflect new changes, online upgrades, etc.
* Marketing and promotional material updates
That's a minimum free upgrade. Gone are the simple days where you could
just recompile, zip up a few files, and toss a patch on the FTP site for
everyone to grab. Rightly or wrongly, the production process for even a
simple fix involves resources that span the globe (literally), and take
a non-trivial amount of time.
Aaron
On 5/28/2009 1:58 PM, Chip Orange wrote:
I think as more functionality becomes implemented via scripts, this will
become possible to do.
until then however, you have no idea how much work went into this fix
Aaron mentioned. it may be the result of months of development,
primarily aimed at other things. before they release a new reader, it
has to be tested, as a whole product. if it were modularized that could
be different, but except for changes to .set files, it's not.
they only have a few guys working on this, and taking time to test and
release a service pack takes time away from the main development effort.
this is another reason to hope for more functionality coming from
scripts; it allows us, the consumers, to actually help with development,
as well as modularizing the product.
Chip
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Florida Public Service Commission
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(Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sam bushman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:45 PM
To: [email protected]; David
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: window eyes support for HTML 5 canvas element
Hi all,
I am heavily involed in the development of software programs so I do
understand the issues here.
I understand that gw did there very best to create a solution for the
browsing of the web (best info at the time) and the landscape
has changed so
fast out from under them that they need to re-think /
re-write a solution
going forward.
I respect that ... no problem.
However, I would hope we could get service packs ...
microsoft and most
companies do this all the time that would address some of
these tiny issues
that seem so large at the time.
Example:
Aaron says that 7.1 has the main problem I am having fixed.
So Aaron and others say don't press for the next version
until it's ready.
Fine, we agree again.
But, if they have this fixed couldn't I have had it with ease
for who knows
how long now if we had service packs for issues like this?
I realize that we can't do a service pack for every thing but, most
companies do issue service packs that bundle several fixes in
to one SP.
I do this for my own software as well.
They would say yes and we do to, just look at 7.01 ... Again we agree!
But, if we7.1 is taking longer and longer (again as it should
be to get it
right) what about 7.02 with several more things fixed?
thanks
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Smith"<[email protected]>
To: "David"<[email protected]>
Cc: "Sam bushman"<[email protected]>;<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: window eyes support for HTML 5 canvas element
Ideally, yes. In reality, no. This type of functionality is
built into the
core of browse mode, and is one of the main reasons why we
are gutting it,
and starting from scratch.
Aaron
On 5/28/2009 1:28 PM, David wrote:
OK, I see your point. Then my next question is: Could we have
implemented a feature, that gave the user the chance to
Turn on/off this
recalculating of data? That if it is turned off, the user
will be put
back in palce, no matter how much the site has been
updated? And if it
is on, then, it goes on like you describe, recalculating
all the time.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Smith"
<[email protected]>
To: "David"<[email protected]>
Cc: "Sam bushman"<[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes support for HTML 5 canvas element
On 5/28/2009 12:52 PM, David wrote:
Try for instance, go to EBay, then do a search for
whatever product,
and
scroll down the list. When you find one that you want -
let's say item
number 10 on the list - and then press enter, you are
taken to the ad
of
that product. So far, Yes, everything is perfect. BUT!
Now, try to
press
either the Backspace key, or the ALT-LEFT ARROW, to go
back to the
prior
page, and see what will happen.
I'm not surprised by this, and, to be honest, it's
actually by design
in the current implementation of browse mode. Here's what happens:
when you visit a web page, Window-Eyes calculates a value based on
data about the page (number of lines, cursor position, etc.), and
stores that value in memory. If you navigate away from
that page, and
then come back, Window-Eyes will again calculate the
required data,
and if it matches what was stored in memory, you're
placed back on the
line you were on when you left.
If, however, the data differs at all, even the slightest
bit, you are
placed back at the top of the page. We do this on
purpose; if the data
differs, that means the page has changed and, because we
don't want
you to miss any potentially important information, we put
you back at
the top. In the past, this was the accepted, nay desired,
behavior for
pretty much any page.
But times have changed. You see, browse mode didn't break; the web
just got busier.
As today's web pages become more dynamic and fluid, the
values of the
data calculated for a given page often don't match the
values stored
for the same page. Even a single ad changing on a page
can make this
happen. Say you have an ad for apples when you leave the page, but
when you go back, the same ad is for oranges. Even if the
rest of the
content of the page is exactly the same, that's enough to make the
values of the data different.
The page could change even before you leave it. Sometimes
there are
dynamic areas that update with latest news, latest wheels
and deals,
updating weather information, etc., that would cause the
value of the
page to be different were you to leave it then come back again.
What you are experiencing is an ever changing web landscape that
browse mode is not designed for. Browse mode hasn't
gotten worse, and
it didn't break. Instead, web pages have begun to change
more often
than in the past. And this feature of browse mode, created in an
attempt to provide the most relevant content with every
visit to the
page, has unfortunately become an aggravating hassle.
Aaron
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