Hi, voxpro was used for specialist situations, and there are other workable solutions now that can do what voxpro can do - that do work with a screen reader. I knew of it 16 years ago, it was used for programming gaming machines and used for programming cash registers remotely. No doubt it had other situations in which it was or could be useful, these were the two areas I knew it was used in the UK. There far better solutions to these problems nowadays and it was probably over kill for what it was actually doing apart when it came to the gaming machines, and if your writing games your writing games and you are or should be a serious programmer. Warm regards. Martin Webster. I.T. team leader for KVIN.
--- On Sun, 8/19/12, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: scripting Adobe AIR applications > To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 8:04 PM > As Aaron said though, Microsoft's > record is spotty at best; their Visual > Foxpro (no longer sold I believe) was a very complex > development > environment, so it cost a lot, has been around for about 20 > years, and they > never took the time to make it accessible! :( > > Chip > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: martin webster [mailto:webstermar...@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:29 AM > > To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > > > Hi all and Aaron, > > I know what your saying there, to have all those MSAA > propertys methods > > and events at your finger tips and to find they are not > implemented is > quite > > francly annoying particularly when working on > menu/ribbon structures, but > > at least microsoft try to use their own programming > interface. The amount > > of programmers whom put MSAA in to a relativly simple > structure and > > ignore the bigger picture wines me up. Classic example, > meta products > > Offline explorer Pro, I can get all most anything I > want from the Treeview > > structure where the download templates are > displayed where it's not > really > > needed using MSAA, But absolutely nothing from the > ribbon/menu > > structure where it's needed, as you quite rightly said, > "The MSAA tree is > all > > most empty", and the two or three events that do exist > are not useful. You > > have no > > chance usually in a £30 application of ever > seeing MSAA being > > implemented at all. Even in expensive applications, > where people should > > know better I find MSAA is just not there, and adobe > are the worst, take > > their flash updater, we are still getting buttons that > vaugely speak and > > token gestures to make an installer talk, rubbish. they > just don't care or > > theyare crap programmers. s. Sorry people if this is > sounding like a rant, > it's > > something I feel very strongly about. > > Warm regards. > > Martin Webster. > > I.T. team leader for KVIN. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/9/12, Aaron Smith <aa...@gwmicro.com> > wrote: > > > > From: Aaron Smith <aa...@gwmicro.com> > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Martin. > > > > > > > > Even Microsoft isn't without > blame. There lots of places where they > > don't get UIA/MSAA right. The > technology to create accessible > > applications exists, even in > Adobe AIR. Unfortunately, those > > accessibility options are > either not something that gets enabled by > > default, or are completely > overlooked by developers. It's very > > frustrating to know that the > solutions exist to these kinds of > > problems, but to not be able to > do anything about it. > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > On 8/9/2012 3:20 AM, martin > webster > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > all, > > > > > "Unfortunately not. The UIA tree is all > but empty in the > > > application window. > > > > > This is a very poorly written interface." > > > > > You do surprise me! Aaron! smile. In my > limited experience > > > with MSAA Microsoft seem to be the only > people whom can > > > implement MSAA correctly. > > > > > Warm regards. > > > > > Martin Webster. > > > > > I.T. team leader for KVIN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/8/12, Cory Samaha <csama...@aim.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Cory Samaha <csama...@aim.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: scripting Adobe AIR > applications > > > > > To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 9:06 PM > > > > > > > > > Ah *sigh*. Thanks a lot though. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Aaron Smith [mailto:aa...@gwmicro.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:55 PM > > > > > To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > > > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR > applications > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately not. The UIA tree is all but > empty in > > > the application window. > > > > > This is a very poorly written interface. > > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > On 8/8/2012 12:23 PM, Cory Samaha wrote: > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking into it anyway. > Do you > > > think, like Doug > > > > > > mentioned, that this could be > scriptable if we > > > could manipulate UIA > > > > > through WE scripting? > > > > > > Or, is this amazon program a lost > cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Aaron Smith [mailto:aa...@gwmicro.com] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:01 > AM > > > > > > To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR > applications > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a bummer. Nice use of the > scripting tools, > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/7/2012 5:15 PM, Cory Samaha > wrote: > > > > > >> Yeah, I was able to get it > installed using > > > immed actually. I just > > > > > >> found the accessible object which > needed to > > > be activated and did > > > > > >> DoDefaultAction on it. But once > it is > > > installed, I just don't see > > > > > >> any MSAA event information coming > through, > > > nor do I see any > > > > > >> accessible objects > > > > > > to work with either. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:aa...@gwmicro.com] > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 > 5:05 PM > > > > > >> To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > > > > >> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR > applications > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The UIA to MSAA bridge makes the > Adobe AIR > > > installer scriptable. In > > > > > >> fact, Window-Eyes would just read > it out of > > > the box were we more open > > > > > >> to who we support MSAA in. I > don't know about > > > the rest of the Amazon > > > > > >> program. I do see that there's > very little > > > keyboard support to begin > > > > > >> with, even without a screen > reader involved. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Aaron > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 8/7/2012 4:24 PM, Doug Lee > wrote: > > > > > >>> My understanding is that > AIR's > > > accessibility is UIA-based, and the > > > > > >>> MSAA support provided for UIA > controls is > > > both limited and somewhat > > > > > >>> non-standard in my > experience, which > > > means screen readers that rely > > > > > >>> only on MSAA will struggle in > these > > > cases. I don't remember if WE > > > > > >>> includes any direct UIA > access features > > > for scripters, though I'm > > > > > >>> sure there are those on this > list with > > > very concrete answers to that > > > > > >>> question. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at > 03:36:13PM -0400, > > > Cory Samaha wrote: > > > > > >>> It seems to be short on MSAA > events (I > > > tried running WeEvent). Of > > > > > >>> course, I could be missing > something. > > > The direct URL for the > > > > > >>> importer > > > > > > is: > > > > > >>> https://images-na.ssl-images- > > amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/music/up > > > > > >>> l o ader/a > > > > > >>> > > > pp/win/AmazonMusicImporterInstaller-2.0.0._V392838521_.exe > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I'm not sure if that URL is > session > > > specific; I don't think it is. > > > > > >>> If that doesn't work, go to > > > > > >>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/mp3/player > > > > > >>> and login to amazon. Once > there, click > > > import music. When you > > > > > >>> click import music, there is > an in page > > > dialog which comes up > > > > > >>> allowing you to download the > importer, > > > but WE does not read this > > > > > >>> automatically. A lot of > mouse nav action > > > has to be done to even get > > > > > >>> this thing downloaded. The > only way I > > > was able to get the direct > > > > > >>> URL to the importer which I > gave above is > > > because I reviewed the > > > > > >>> source of this > > > > > > page. > > > > > >>> Cory > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >>> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:aa...@gwmicro.com] > > > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, > 2012 2:48 PM > > > > > >>> To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe > AIR > > > applications > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> There may be some MSAA > event/window > > > information you could use. Where > > > > > >>> does one find this program? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Aaron > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On 8/7/2012 2:15 PM, Cory > Samaha wrote: > > > > > >>>> Hi all, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> As much as I don't care > for some of > > > the recent products from adobe, > > > > > >>>> there are some programs > which would > > > be nice to have access to which > > > > > >>>> use the Adobe AIR > runtime. One that > > > recently comes to mind is the > > > > > >>>> Amazon music importer, > which is > > > similar to iTunes music match I > > > > > >>>> believe in the sense that > it searches > > > your computer and will match > > > > > >>>> music files on your hard > drive with > > > music from the Amazon mp3 catalog. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Anyway, I was wondering > if Adobe AIR > > > has an accessible framework of > > > > > >>>> any kind? I was > thinking maybe it > > > would be possible to get some of > > > > > >>>> the programs to speak > with WE, > > > similar to the WE4Java project. I > > > > > >>>> don't know much about the > Adobe AIR > > > API, so before I waste time, I > > > > > >>>> was wondering if anyone > else has > > > already explored this area before. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> If I am not mistaken, > other screen > > > readers such as NVDA tout > > > > > >>>> support for Adobe AIR. > I loaded the > > > above mentioned amazon music > > > > > >>>> importer with NVDA and > couldn't get > > > anything to speak. I'm not > > > > > >>>> sure if that's a problem > with AIR or > > > poor design on Amazon's part. > > > > > >>>> If a project could be > done to get WE > > > to work with AIR though, that > > > > > >>>> would be > > > > > > cool. > > > > > >>>> Any > > > > > >>> thoughts? > > > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>> Cory > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Aaron Smith > > > > > >>> Web Development * App > Development * > > > Product Support Specialist GW > > > > > >>> Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport > North Office > > > Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > > > > > >>> 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> To insure that you receive > proper > > > support, please include all past > > > > > >>> correspondence (where > applicable), and > > > any relevant information > > > > > >>> pertinent to your situation > when > > > submitting a problem report to the > > > > > >>> GW Micro Technical Support > Team. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Aaron Smith > > > > > >> Web Development * App Development > * Product > > > Support Specialist GW > > > > > >> Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North > Office Park, > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > > > > > >> 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> To insure that you receive proper > support, > > > please include all past > > > > > >> correspondence (where > applicable), and any > > > relevant information > > > > > >> pertinent to your situation when > submitting a > > > problem report to the > > > > > >> GW Micro Technical Support Team. > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Aaron Smith > > > > > > Web Development * App Development * > Product > > > Support Specialist GW > > > > > > Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North > Office Park, Fort > > > Wayne, IN 46825 > > > > > > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To insure that you receive proper > support, please > > > include all past > > > > > > correspondence (where applicable), > and any > > > relevant information > > > > > > pertinent to your situation when > submitting a > > > problem report to the GW > > > > > > Micro Technical Support Team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Aaron Smith > > > > > Web Development * App Development * > Product Support > > > Specialist GW Micro, > > > > > Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort > Wayne, IN > > > 46825 > > > > > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > > To insure that you receive proper support, > please > > > include all past > > > > > correspondence (where applicable), and any > relevant > > > information pertinent to > > > > > your situation when submitting a problem > report to the > > > GW Micro Technical > > > > > Support Team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Smith > > Web Development * App Development * Product Support > Specialist > > GW Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort > Wayne, IN 46825 > > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > To insure that you receive proper support, please > include all past > > correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant > information > > pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem > report to the GW > > Micro Technical Support Team. > > > > >
