Also, call Intersystems Tech Support because I was told the problem with McAfee had been resolved.
On Saturday 24 December 2005 07:16 am, Ronald Ponto wrote: I tried to setup VISTA but had a communication error (I am using Mcafee-which can cause a problem). I don't want to work without a firewall or virus screen so i went the other route. I downloaded the GT-M version and it downloaded pretty fast (I have a 100M connection). After downloading it I tried to write it to CD but my Easy CD Creator wouldn't work with the ISO file and I don't have any other way to read the ISO file. So I have put it on the back-burner till after Christmas- I am working the Christmas weekend including the government holiday which itself is a mess with Monday as the legal holiday. Time to get off my soapbox. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Ron -------Original Message------- From: Thurman Pedigo Date: 12/23/05 10:35:46 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change Though I don't want to turn this into a Cache/GT.M shootout, I find a resonance in Greg's comments that deserves support. This comment should in no way be taken as criticism of the dedicated members of this list who are quick to lend a helping hand, regardless of platform, to the newbie or people like me with experience in FileMan, though week in coding and plumbing the depths of VistA. I don't mention names to avoid overlooking important contributors - everyone here knows them. In respect to Greg's comment - I find myself winnowing the VistA "specifics" from the Linux/GT.M posts of this list. I had a go at Linux GT.M and decided that my time may best be spent getting a grip on VistA in a relatively familiar environment. I chose this route, correctly or not, over whole-cloth conversion to Linux while still struggling with VistA. I have spent a lot of time looking, in vain, for a solution and kept this observation low-key, since I think raising a criticism without offering a solution is counterproductive. I am no closer to the solution and only want to voice the reminder that just becaue you don't hear it doesn't mean the problem isn't there. I haven't the wisdom to make a suggestion for change. What I have done is frequently remind myself that's just the way it is. Noone's fault, noone to blame, though for those limited to Win/Cache we need to be a little more careful (efficient?) scanning our email. Thanks, thurman > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:59 PM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA > > --- "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greg -- > > > > Normally, you are objective and reasoned. > > Thanks. I'll grant that you did catch me on a bad day. > > > On this post, however, I > > regret that I have several bones to pick with you. See below. > > > > -- Bhaskar > > > > On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:14 -0600, Greg Woodhouse wrote: > > > --- Ronald Ponto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The list does seem to have a preponderance of GT.M users, but VOE > > > runs > > > > [KSB] How I wish this were the case! Owing to the number of VA users > > and the extensive use of non-GT.M implementations of MUMPS within the > > VA, and owing to VOE, I think GT.M users are probably in a > > non-trivial > > minority. > > I'll grant you that VA personnel are not usually the ones to ask > questions here, but that seems neither here nor there. True, VA medical > centers do use Cache', but I don't know that I'd infer that new users > are necessarily going to be adopters of one platform over the other. As > an aside, I started to delete that sentence (twice), because I really > do not means this to be a Cache' vs. GT.M or a Fidelity vs. > InterSystems type message. Both products (and perhaps others) ought to > have a place on this list. > > > > on Cache' not GT.M. Ironically, I might be more ready to use GT.M > > > > if > > > > > the list didn't seem so lop-sided on the GT.M side. I don't have an > > > > [KSB] It is probably a fair statement to say that there are more > > newbie > > users of VistA on GT.M on this forum (and of course newbie users need > > more help and are more vocal than non-newbie users; besides people > > ask > > questions where they find their questions are answered). > > Yes. But isn't that what I was saying? That the focus of discussion > here seems to be on GT.M. Maybe that's okay. > > > > infinite amount of time, and certainly can't do everything I'd > > > > like, > > > > > but I think it would be very nice to see a portable implementation > > > that > > > could be distributed with VistA installed (even if not completely > > > configured). I am not at all happy with the way Linux seems to be > > > > the > > > > > only OS that anyone wants to use for development. Again, I think I > > > might be a bit more friendly to Linux if there were more of a > > > > balance > > > > > (and if the distribution weren't so "kute"). > > > > [KSB] Since I don't have the right to distribute Windows, or OS X, > > the > > choice comes down to Linux and *BSD variants. > > But there is nothing to stop you from installing *.msi files (for > Windows) or *.mpkg files (for OS X). Is it really necessary to > distribute an entire OS to distribute VistA? If it is, I'd submit that > we have some serious work to do, because that just shouldn't be. > > > I really don't have a > > > strong personal preference between them. However since (a) I already > > had a GT.M on Linux, and (b) Linux live CDs came before *BSD live > > CDs, I > > chose to release VistA on Linux. I felt that it was better to do > > what > > little I could even if I couldn't do everything. > > I certainly don't fault you for focusing on Linux. That's not what > bothers me, it's the absence of anything else. > > > >... > > > > [KSB] A minor point, but your post suggests that Linux is not a > > commercial operating system. Open source free software like Linux > > and > > GT.M on Linux are very much commercial software. Only, the licensing > > terms are different, and the GPL gives the licensee more Freedom than > > traditional software licenses (see > > http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html for more an essay on > > the topic). > > I suppose I could have said "proprietary" rather than "commercial". Is > that any better? I guess I tend to avoid terms like proprietary and > closed source because they have derogatory overtones that I'd rather > avoid. > > > For the record, I feel strongly enough about the importance of VistA > > that I have offered more than once at the VistA Community Meetings > > and > > the VistA Community Calls to teach anyone interested, including > > InterSystems, how to create a live CD of VistA on Cache. The offer > > still stands. > > Good for you. Hey, a live CD bailed me out last weekend when I trashed > the boot block on a Windows system, and it was necessary to boot > Knoppix to restore it. > > > As President Kennedy said, "ask not what your country can do for you; > > ask what you can do for your country." An old Chinese proverb says > > that > > it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. > > I think I heard that once. :-) > > I would like to think that I do some good, but I don't have an infinite > amount of time or energy. I can't do everything I'd like to, and there > seems little point in embarking on a project such as this without at > least a little "buy in". > > Why get > > > on a > > soapbox about what other people are doing when they have done you no > > harm? > > That's a fair point. There have been more than a couple of times that > I've considered unsubscribing from Hardhats because I feel like it no > longer fits my interests or goals, but I guess I feel strongly about > VistA, too. > > > If you feel strongly about VistA on FreeBSD, why not turn your > > energies to do something positive? > > How do you know that I am not? I thought of posting some of my work on > fMUMPS, but so far as I know, only one other member of this list has > expressed any interest in it. I've been putting a fair amount of work > into interpreting imperative languages using something like > Peyton-Jones' G-machine. I've been exploring the use of virtual > machines in MUMPS for portability. Things I'd like to do, but for which > I've had no time include tightening up Fileman and Kernel, perhaps > incorporating them into a language library. I would love to see an > embedded VistA, a device people could simply turn on. And you probably > have no idea how much time I spend off list just answering questions. I > hardly think it fair to say I am not doing anything! > > > I will gladly render what > > assistance > > I can for you to get VistA running on a FreeBSD live CD. > > I may take you up on that, but I think I have a ways to go before I > reach that point. > > === > Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing." > --Philip L. Wadler > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log > files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. 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