Turf wars happen because those who sell illegal drugs claim certain areas as theirs and others are not allowed to deal in that area. If drugs were made legal no one would buy drugs off the street and they would turn to stores and the like ending the turf wars (well most of them as I guess a few are gang related and have nothing to do with drugs) When was the last time a target employee and Wal-Mart employee were in a shootout?

Other crimes take place because users need to steal to get the money to pay for very expensive drugs. Making the drugs legal would decrease the cost of the drugs and so there would be less of a need to steal to get money for them.

Eli

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Drug usage is unquestionably lower as a result of the laws in place,
which is their purpose.  They are working.   Turf wars take place
regardless of drugs as do shootings and other crimes.  You have no
evidence to suggest that making marijuana legal would remedy any of
these issues.

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 4:12 PM:

I'd define working as a decrease in the usage, decrease in ability to
get the drugs, decrease in crimes related to the drugs (stealing to
get money to pay for them, shootings over who has rights to a certain
turf for selling drugs, etc)  And this decrease should be significant,
especially for the area of related crimes as I'd argue those effect
others besides just the user to a much larger degree so are more
important.

Using that definition I'd say they aren't working

Eli

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Udstrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Your problem is you have failed to define working.  If by working you
mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working.  If you are
defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then
you are creating nothing more than a canard.

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:58 PM:

At 04:44 PM 25/08/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:

And that's one, not several.  Please give me some concrete examples
of harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term.



Saudi Arabia - caught with drugs? Bye bye head.

It's also a GREAT place to live.



I think that proves my point.  Harsh drug laws just don't work.
Unless you feel that leaving in an oppressive regime with no drugs or
alcohol is working.

T






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