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On 3/9/06, Mesdaq, Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Turkey is a great example of religious oppression not religious freedom. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:11 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Failure Cars Standard with Wings was.... > > > > > >From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List <hardware@hardwaregroup.com> > >To: "The Hardware List" <hardware@hardwaregroup.com> > >Subject: Re: [H] Failure Cars Standard with Wings was.... > >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:57:51 -0600 > > > >On 3/9/06, Chris Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What has happened in numerous areas of the world is that religious > >zealots > > > of all forms - not just islam - take their faith so seriously that > they > > > use > > > it as an oppressing hammer to beat the piss out of people. > > > > > > > >Excellent example: the neo-cons, controlled by the Radical Christian > Right, > >have killed AT LEAST 100,000 CIVILIANS in their war on Iraq. Plenty > >elsewhere, too. > > Link? > > > >I would say something very offensive, but the reality is, the entire > area > > > needs to be modernized in a monumental way in regards to it's > treatment > >of > > > women. > > > > > >The myths about the treatment of women in Islam continue, I doubt I > will > >dissuade anyone here who simply want to believe them. But for those > with > >any interest in the truth, try (again) doing a little homework: Study > >Indonesia as a positive example - the largest Muslim country in the > world. > >Or are you of those who think Arab and Muslim are synonymous? The > reality > >is that Arabs make up only 12% of Islam today. > > In other words, forget about the rest of the majority islamic nations > and > instead just pay attention to Indonesia, ignoring the REALITY (not a > "myth") > that women are treated as property or at best second class citizens > elsewhere in the Islamic world. BTW, Indonesia's human rights record > does > not hold a candle to Turkey's. I'm surprised you do not use Turkey as a > shining example of a free Islamic nation. > > >The reality is that Islam brought the idea tha woman could own and/or > >inherit property to the Arabian peninsula 1400 years ago, at a time > when > >women pretty much WERE property in most of Europe. Islam declared the > >unthinkable notion that a woman could say "no" to an arranged marriage! > >(Anyone wonder that Muhammad had his enemies?) > > And now muslim women are back to being property again. Funny that. 80 > lashes > for you! > > >Actually you are close to decribing the reality happening in Iran > today; > >the > >young are growing up with a taste for free expression, but with a > healthy > >disdain for the excessives of the west. The hard-line Shi'a-extreme > old > >guard is scared to death of this, but so are Bush's puppet-masters. > The > >up-and-coming generation of Iranians have a dangerous combination: the > >solid > >ethical principles of Islam, and a clear picture of the modern world. > >Nukes? Screw nukes. It is this new combination that frightens the > >neocons. > > I think what scares any sane person the most about Iran is the newly > ELECTED > madman president who calls for the destruction of Israel. The moderate > youth > of Iran need to try harder next time, I know it's tough considering many > > better canidates were removed from the electoral process. > > PS: I wonder if any of the European countries with holocaust denial laws > > have the balls to arrest Ahmadinejad the minute he steps foot into their > > country. I personally find the laws silly but whatever. > > > > -- -jmg -sapere aude
