Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Brian Weeden <brian.wee...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: <hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --------------------------- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin <amar...@charter.net>wrote: > None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of > 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from > constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the > user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty > of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. > > > maccrawj wrote: > >> Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! >> >> When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to >> the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it >> comes to getting codes that don't exist in their "community support" >> database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning & interpreted by >> logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. >> >> Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: >> >> 10. Not all codes in DB & many don't match their labeled function. >> >> 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB & no original >> remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. >> >> 8. Painstaking PITA "activity based" system vs. simple devices & macros. >> >> 7. No real macro support. >> >> 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping >> "activities" issue. >> >> 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. >> >> 4. Programming "client" is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to >> various issues: 5min "idle" timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML >> forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device >> management, internet needed to program, etc... >> >> 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions >> like sound + buttons only being usable for display & audio device, not the >> device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those >> under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. >> >> 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with >> interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of >> volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for >> dissenters. >> >> 1. Expensive "rental" since the programming software is 100% on their web >> server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving >> support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. >> >> Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! >> JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility & direct access to solutions >> at a lower price point with open source programming software & strong >> community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years >> ahead & in same price range as fancy Harmony's. >> >> >> To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I >> am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 >> button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable >> hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd >> recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware >> functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. >> >> Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! >> >> >> >> >> Bobby Heid wrote: >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> >>> I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the >>> way >>> of remotes? >>> >>> >>> I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>
