No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares.
Sent via BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: DSinc <dx7...@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: <hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: > Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. > Sent via BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Weeden <brian.wee...@gmail.com> > > Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 > To: <hardware@hardwaregroup.com> > Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? > > > And the spousal value cannot be understated. > > --------------------------- > Brian Weeden > Technical Advisor > Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> > Montreal Office > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada > +1 (202) 683-8534 US > > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin <amar...@charter.net>wrote: > >> None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of >> 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from >> constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the >> user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty >> of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. >> >> >> maccrawj wrote: >> >>> Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! >>> >>> When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to >>> the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it >>> comes to getting codes that don't exist in their "community support" >>> database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning & interpreted by >>> logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. >>> >>> Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: >>> >>> 10. Not all codes in DB & many don't match their labeled function. >>> >>> 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB & no original >>> remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. >>> >>> 8. Painstaking PITA "activity based" system vs. simple devices & macros. >>> >>> 7. No real macro support. >>> >>> 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping >>> "activities" issue. >>> >>> 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. >>> >>> 4. Programming "client" is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to >>> various issues: 5min "idle" timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML >>> forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device >>> management, internet needed to program, etc... >>> >>> 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions >>> like sound + buttons only being usable for display & audio device, not the >>> device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those >>> under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. >>> >>> 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with >>> interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of >>> volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for >>> dissenters. >>> >>> 1. Expensive "rental" since the programming software is 100% on their web >>> server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving >>> support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. >>> >>> Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! >>> JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility & direct access to solutions >>> at a lower price point with open source programming software & strong >>> community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years >>> ahead & in same price range as fancy Harmony's. >>> >>> >>> To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I >>> am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 >>> button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable >>> hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd >>> recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware >>> functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. >>> >>> Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bobby Heid wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the >>>> way >>>> of remotes? >>>> >>>> >>>> I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any >>>> suggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>
