Hard disagree on userbenchmark, their score weighting has a pro-intel bias
that's basically legendary to the point that they cannot be taken remotely
seriously.

On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 22:56, Brian Weeden <brian.wee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would wait if at all possible. Part of the reason your cost estimate is
> going so high is that good video cards are still scarce as heck (combo of
> mining, chip shortages, supply chain snafus, and just overall huge demand).
>
> It might actually be cheaper to buy a pre-made system than trying to find a
> separate video card yourself.
>
> But as always, this is a great site for comparing various specs:
> https://www.userbenchmark.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 5:39 PM Greg Sevart <ad...@xfury.net> wrote:
>
> > Re: #2 - Yes, Alder Lake (12th gen) is definitely worth $200 more. I'm
> > even going to be upgrading from my Zen3 5950X to a 12900K. However, the
> > hybrid architecture is tripping up DRM for some games, so validate your
> > titles before executing. You can probably assume anything newish either
> > will work OOB or will be patched though.
> >
> > AMD is also going to be adopting a hybrid architecture with Zen 5.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hardware <hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com> On Behalf Of
> > Bino Gopal
> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:22 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: [H] New gaming PC specs/recommendation for Bino?
> >
> > Hey guys, hope you all had a good Thanksgiving!
> >
> > I wanted to get a new desktop gaming PC-I decided to split the laptop and
> > gaming, so I got an LG Gram 17" laptop for work/mobility (still need the
> > screen size and resolution for emails and browsing-but I love how light
> it
> > is!) so now I want to build a decent gaming system that will last me a
> > while...
> >
> > I wanted to spend like $2500 but the specs I'm coming up with for what
> > seem like I decent system are coming out to more like $4k and I'm
> wondering
> > if I really need to spend that much...
> >
> > I used xoticpc.com 4 years ago to buy my MSI GS73VR gaming laptop (that
> > is still going strong and it's what I'm writing this email on-well, after
> > lots of repairs at the local MSI repair shop, heh) and I spent about $3k
> on
> > it in March 2017, and that was the last computer I'd bought until I got
> the
> > Gram for $900 last month at Costco, so it's served me well.
> >
> > So here's the configs I came up with with the guy at xoticpc
> >
> > 12th gen:
> >
> https://xoticpc.com/collections/gx18-torrent/products/xotic-gx18-torrent-z690-ddr5?conf=525726
> > 11th
> > <
> https://xoticpc.com/collections/gx18-torrent/products/xotic-gx18-torrent-z690-ddr5?conf=52572611th
> >
> > gen:
> >
> https://xoticpc.com/collections/gx18-torrent/products/xotic-gx18-torrent-z490-z590?conf=525722
> >
> > They're basically the same system, using this Fractal Torrent glass case
> > as the base:
> >
> https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-torrent-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352148
> >
> > which they call the GX18 Torrent model on the xoticpc site.  I upgraded
> > both systems with a GTX 3080, i7, MSI Carbon MBs, ASUS Thor 850W PS, 32GB
> > Corsair RAM in 2x16, a 1TB Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 (no other SSDs/HDs),
> kept
> > the integrated sound, USB wireless dongle (no cost), upgraded the thermal
> > paste, kept the AIO cooling loop, and upgraded to Win 10 Pro 64-bit.
> >
> > The difference b/w the two configs is the newer gen chipset/MB, CPU and
> > faster RAM: Z690 vs Z590, 12th vs 11th gen Intel CPU, 5.2k vs 3.6k MHz
> > RAM-and $200 more for the 12th gen stuff...
> >
> >
> > So the main questions are:
> > 1)      Did I basically spec things out right for gaming and is this what
> > a new gaming system should cost about now given parts shortages and GPU
> > prices (damn, they're expensive!)?  Are there any major things any of you
> > would change/recommend?
> > 2)      If I stay with this config, is the extra $200 worth it to go from
> > 11th gen to 12th gen and the new MB and smaller CPU die size worth it for
> > future-proofing and upgrading?
> > 3)      Anything that I missed here?  Any recs on better parts?  Better
> > place to buy from?  I was going to get another MSI system but the tech
> > (Eric F, same guy I spoke to over 4 years ago, which is cool) said that
> MSI
> > generally uses the minimum spec parts and isn't as customizable and that
> > building with xoticpc you can select better stuff (like the ASUS Thor PS,
> > etc) so I went with the xoticpc custom build as I saw that to be the
> case...
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts/help/feedback much appreciated!  Cheers all!
> >
> >                                                         BINO
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
>
> ---------
> Brian
>

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